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[tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« on: September 24, 2007, 09:22:54 pm »
CANES
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The graphite canes represent the best quality-price ratio compared to the glass fibre canes which are often heavy and do not give such a good propulsion of silk, even if they are perhaps a little more resistant.
There are various lengths of canes on the market. However, the most used are those which measure between 9 and 10 feet.
The majority of the canes are available according to three types of action: slow, average and fast. The action can be compared with the rigidity of the cane, therefore, slow action for a soft cane contrary to fast action for a rigid cane. The choice of the action is question of taste and the style of launching which you generally use.
It can be very advantageous to test a cane before buying it, i.e. to mount your winch there and a silk, to go outside and to make several throws in order to be able to judge if it is appropriate for your needs and especially for your way of launching.

WINCH
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The winch must be harmonized perfectly with the other components of the cane. Its weight must be balanced with the cane's and it must receive the line corresponding to the cane. However as opposed to what certain fishermen says, a winch a little heavier is not really a handicap, though the weight can become a source of tiredness at the end of the day. A heavier winch acts as a counterweight of the cane and silk during the throws. Thus this counterweight helps us to launch with less efforts.
The choice of a winch should be based on two elements: the price and the brake. The prices vary from 50 to 2.000 $ for winches ready to fish salmon. The brake is probably the most important element of the winch because it will enable you to keep a certain control during a combat. The winches with little brake can nevertheless be controlled by pressing its hand on the reel which turns during a combat but the danger occurs at the time of a very fast exit of line of the winch. The winch with a weak brake will tend to continue to turn after this fast exit and is extremely likely to mix your line, thing to be avoided with a salmon with the other end.

BACKING
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Often, the line of reserve is a neglected part of equipment. However, it forms a vital bond between the fisherman and salmon. Its principal goal is to make it possible for the salmon to make long races and to the fishermen to remain ?connected?. Moreover, the line of reserve increases the diameter of the drum of the winch, which makes it possible to increase the speed of winding of silk. During a combat, that can make all the difference between success and the failure of the day. The dacron is without any doubt the material of most popular line of the reserve. Its form is more punt than round, therefore it enables him to settle on itself flat and prevents the line from mixing.
As for the quantity of lines of reserve which one must have, several hold mordicus with a minimum of 200 meters. Others prefer 250 meters. A trick is to attach its silk directly to the bottom of the empty drum of the winch and to attach the line of reserve to it. One embobine until our winch is full as one wishes it, then one unreels and one embobine, but this time by putting the line of reserve in the empty drum of the winch.

SILK
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As regards the line (silk), it must correspond to the cane which we chose (generally, the corresponding silk number is registered on the cane). Let me say that the larger the figure is, the more the line is heavy: a heavy line makes the presentation more difficult, but it can be propelled further. The lines most used by the fishermen who fish with only one cane are our. 8 and 9. It then remains to choose between lines with eccentric spindle (the most used because they allow a greater propulsion) and lines with double spindle (which have a better presentation and are more economic because they can be transfered of end).
There is a silk range to answer various situations: silk with spindle decentred, fixing silk, silk with double spindle, etc But a characteristic which deserves all the attention, it is the color. Indeed, silks are now in the colours of green pale, orange, blue, yellow, white, green fluorescent, brown, etc On a river whose water is limpid, you have advantage to use a avan?on of a minimum of 3 meters with silks of clear colors, in opposition to the dark colors which could frighten fish. It should not be concluded that silks of dark colors are not effective. Being much more visible for the saumonier, they make it possible to have a better control on the throws and are easier to follow eyes at the time of the engagements.

AVANCONS
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It is necessary to be ensured to have advance good quality. It is not when one has a salmon on the line which one can correct this problem. Do not try to save some under by preserving a doubtful avan?on.
The avan?on must be of at least three meters and of the smallest possible diameter, but balances some with the size of the fly. Do not be afraid of the ruptures, made the test attach a avan?on of 3 kilogrammes to your silk, put a hurdy-gurdy fly there that you will prick with a tree, then move away you to a score meters from the tree and while always holding your perpendicular cane with the ground, try to break your avan?on. You will see that with the elasticity of the avan?on, silk and the cane, a resistance of 3 kilogrammes is astonishing and that during the combat with a salmon, the tension which we exert on this one is much lower than 3 kilogrammes. A council, do not draw too extremely, it is your cane which could release you rather than the avan?on. Perhaps that in fact the nodes of the avan?on will release, then remade your node and test the test again. If the same node breaks another time, still remade the test but by changing the kind of node. Certain marks of trade of avan?on are much more resistant with certain nodes than with others.
The small ones let us advance will break more easily because they are more fragile with wear due to the blows and the frictions caused by the throws and less tolerate to be rubbed on the rocks. It is necessary to more often check them and change them.

HOOKS
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the double hook seems to have a better balance when it is under water. As it is heavy, it goes down more quickly, which helps salmon to identify and take the fly.
The simple hook, has a presentation to him which is more delicate. Its use can be very effective when water is low, and the nervous salmons. Moreover, the movement of the simple hook in faster water has two positive effects which should have an effect on the reaction of salmon: resemblance to an insect in the current and the presentation of the colors.
With regard to the captures, it loses as many salmons by employing double flies simple flies. A certain theory says that to use simple flies, of size 1/0 to 5/0, can facilitate to launch it and a more delicate penetration. For the other sizes, use double flies: the fly seems to better swim. As the smallest flies are more fragile, so inadvertently you run up against rocks while launching and that you break one of the hooks, there remains to you another hook nevertheless if the salmon comes to bite before you checked your fly.
Simple or double, take the practice to sharpen the points of your hooks so that your fly penetrates well in the mouth of the salmon.

FLIES
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It should be checked carefully if the tongue and the point of the hook are sharpened. If the hooks are rusted or twisted, it is then necessary to clean them, file them or quite simply to disencumber you. If they are the toilets of the flies which you find in bad condition, under the hot vapor, you try to pass them will see that that gives again life with the drowned flies but even more with the flies dry.

ADVICES
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For the choice of your clothing, think camouflage. Avoid the colors sharp. The colors which merge best with battures are the greens, the gray and the colors sands. Pay a detailed attention to the various objects (nail-clippers, scissors, ?pinglettes) which you will carry on your jacket of fishing; the reflections of the sun could betray your attempts at camouflage.
In the category of the basic equipment for the fishing of salmon, it is very important to get polarized glasses, i.e. which make it possible to decrease the reflections on water and better to locate salmons.

TERRAINS
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The arrival on the terrain requires also a certain planning. It is necessary to arrive, if possible, a day in advance. To get a chart of the river and to go to locate the sectors where one will fish make it possible to locate salmons and their displacements.
If you fish in not-fixed quotas for sectors, try to know from which the fishermen come. The local fishermen or those which have fished for several days are good indications of displacements of salmon. It is rather easy to know their source by examining the vehicles.
The discrete approach makes it possible to see where the fishermen position, which method they use (dries or drowned) and how they are carried out. The chart of the river can be used to take notes on your observations. After a discrete approach, it can be interesting to see the reactions of the fisherman when he sees you.
A tip, you do not trust the places too much where the captures were made during last days. Firstly, the salmon moves and secondly several fishermen lie when they record the pit where they took their salmon.

NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT:
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TAKE CARE OF YOUR GEAR
For the cane, it is necessary to check the wear of the eyelets, the fasteners of the carry-winch, the junctions of the sections as well as the external completion (epoxy).
The winch must be dismounted, cleaned and lubricated; it is also necessary to check the brakes and the screws. A little nail varnish on the head of the screws could prevent a loss or a breaking.
Silk should be stored on a support ?reel? to make it dry. One could clean it with various products and apply a guard of the Armorall kind.
The line of reserve will have it also to be arranged on a support to make it dry; do not forget to check your nodes.
Let us advance (leaders) and the material being used to prepare them will have to be stored in a place absent from light.
The flies will be the subject of a particular care. Firstly, open your boxes to make them dry after each day of fishing. For the drowned flies, pass a soft stone for good to sharpen them. As for dry, to give them a beautiful appearance, pass them to under the vapor. That will cause to rectify all their feathers. Then, it is necessary to make them dry and one can coat them few layers of liquid product or in paste. During their storage, prick the hook to the top so that the ?hackel? does not touch surface.

   
      

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2007, 12:30:00 am »
i could catch a salmon with a line attached to the back of my sailboat with a regular hook and lure...
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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2007, 02:26:06 am »
I always use a 5 or 5 1/2 foot ultra light rod with 75 yards 4 lb test mono.
Anyone can land fish with heavier tackle.

Search the forum for photos of my 10 lb 10 oz Rainbow.
Last week a 23 lb Chinook (King) salmon and I have gotten many shark in the Santa Monica bay with the same rigs.

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I keep the 30-06 with 120 rounds of AP ammo in the trunk of my car just in case of invasion.
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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2007, 03:25:49 am »
Last week a 23 lb Chinook (King) salmon and I have gotten many shark in the Santa Monica bay

yeah we don t have those salmons in Europe (they are only found in Pacific)
we don t have sharks too (correct me if i am wrong)
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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2007, 03:47:38 am »
i saw in a post you were saying : "rain : no fish" , that is actually a wrong idea , they are easier to catch when it is raining.
as it is pretty easy with a traductor to post it , here is how to read the river and coming next , how to COMMUNICATE with the salmon (you can actually call him , and catch him with your hand:icon_thumbsup)

The fisherman who wants to take salmon must learn how to read the river. Each river being different and each pit from each river having a form which is clean for him, the fisherman must analyze each pit according to what he knows of the practices and the behaviors of salmon in order to locate it and to make it bite with its fly.
During its montaison, the salmon stops, for more or less long periods, in places of the river which are called pits. A pit is a species of depression, more or less strong, bed of the river. The depth of water and the slower speed of the current encourage salmon to rest there. It is rare to capture salmon when it moves between the pits. But when water is very high, it is formed ?temporary? pits between the usual pits and the salmon can stop there. It is thus of primary importance to be able to read the river, in order to first of all identify the pits and also to locate where the salmon can be held in the pit. Note that the salmons tend to be placed at the same places in the same pit.
As it before was said, there are no precise and sure rules, applicable to all the rivers, which make it possible to identify the pits. It sometimes happens to find pits which appear ideal but, for reasons which we are unaware of, do not interest salmon. We evaluate the pits from our external point of view; the salmon, in the pit, can feel currents or luminosity or any other factor which makes that it will not remain in this pit.
For the beginner, as for the experienced fisherman, a good bench mark to explore a river which one does not know, is the proud one with the other fishermen. However, do you ensure that those know the river, perhaps are exploring it? Generally, the good managers of rivers identify the pits so that the path which carries out to it arrives on batture, in the pit or a little higher. Therefore, by having an idea, based on our experiment, one can evaluate rather well how to fish a pit when one arrives there for the first time.
I speaks about a traditional pit when a pit seems to us meeting all the conditions to retain salmon. There is a rapid, upstream (in top) of the pit, a more or less major depression and finally, this depression goes up to form one ?waxed? (calmer stretch of water) downstream (in bottom) of the pit. After waxed, the current begins again to the next pit by having however some small lulls from time to time.
The pit in casting is frequently met in the rivers with salmons. Casting comprises a major depression and a flow moderated between two rapids. They are temporary places of rest. The salmon is never assured there but when water is high, it can there be delayed.
When the river turns much, it forms an elbow what is called. The batture located outside the elbow is often eroded by the action of the current. The salmon can to with it be held for a certain time but seek rather in waxed it that in the elbow.
Certain pits are found when that a tributary with a good flow joined the river or when a sizeable island of dimension divides the river into two currents. With the meeting of the currents, it is formed a pit ascribable to the erosion of the river.
In long the rapids, one finds calm water zones, they are boilers. The salmon rests there a few hours. It is often taking there; but it is difficult to fight because the danger which it ?takes the current? and descends it fast to any pace is always possible.
Certain obstacles like notches, falls, clusters of wood, etc waxed just upstream or just downstream. The salmons can stop temporarily upstream but downstream, the stays are often longer, as for example with the foot of the falls. However, this kind of pit is often difficult to fish and if you succeed in making bite a salmon, you will have to be very vigilant to save it.
The rocks of a sizeable size get a good place with salmon to station itself. When they are completely submerged though more difficult to see for the fisherman, they are quite as effective. The salmon is almost always placed on one or the other side of a rock, or ahead and sometimes above, but very seldom behind. It will be able to be also immobilized along the thread of water current made of each side of the rock.
You now know the forms which the pits can take. Let us look at the places, in a pit, where the salmon likes to be held. Here a simple system to help the beginners to easily locate the places of a pit where the salmon is generally taking; if one divides the pit into four, the salmons mordeurs are often placed at the first quarter and the third quarter of a pit.
The place where the salmon is held will depend much on the current velocity because this speed gets a support to him where it can rest by making less efforts. A little like a sailplane which floats on draughts hot, the salmon needs a particular current which will support it with less possible effort of its share. However, the current velocity is directly proportional to the level of water.
At the time of strong risings, the salmon tends to approach the banks, because the current is more moderate there. Then, when the level of water drops, the salmon moves towards the center and the upstream of the pit.
In period of heat wave, water is low and hot and the oxygen rate in water drops. The salmon will then tend to seek the oxygen which it needs in the rapids upstream for the pits, on arrival of a source of cold water, etc At this period, the salmons pass quickly in the bottom of the rivers. When the water flow is raised, the salmons tend to take their time in river. In several cases even, they must wait the periods of low water level to cross certain obstacles; if these conditions arise early in season, the salmons slip by quickly upstream of the rivers.
The salmon is generally more taking when the rain starts, after several days of dry time. The rain refreshes water and and thus the rate of oxygenation increases brews. It will tend to move, therefore to go up higher in the river, which makes it more taking. After the rain, when the level of water starts to drop, it will be always taking since it perhaps changed pit and that it is being accustomed to its new environment. It is not a question of the importance of the flows but well of their variations. A rise of water, even weak, can return the salmon mordor. The risings act like ?initiators? of rises and their influence is particularly sensitive on the captures at the time of the low water level which often corresponds to the medium and the end of the season of fishing. Let us note first of all that these two factors are closely related to the flow. When it rains, the flow increases and the temperature drops. The whole is of knowing to which of the two factors the salmon is most sensitive. It, unanimously is on the other hand recognized that the temperatures act by threshold; too much hot or too cold. Lastly, when the flows do not vary over a long period, in fact the temperatures start the activity of salmon. We found in the literature, many other studied factors. Thus, the lunar tides, phases, the wind, turbidity, ennuagement, the light and the chemical composition of water were the subject of some work. The experiment of the fishermen was also studied (in fact, only the abuses the day before were never taken in line of account!). Among all these factors, one finds the spring tides which seem to cause the large peaks of montaison. And the salmons show a clear preference for the twilight in their movements (except for the crossing of the obstacles).
If you want to increase your chances of capture, observe the variations of water levels, because everyone agrees for saying that, in the hierarchy of the factors, the flow comes very largely at the head. If you are during one time when the flow does not fluctuate, supervise the other factors such as the temperature and the coefficient of tide. Lastly, you can take account of the preference of salmon for the twilight but attention at the standard times. The fireflies are not very discrete!
The variation of the intensity of the luminosity influences the behavior of salmon. When the ambient light is strong, it will be held more deeply under water. Thus in the morning the salmon is more close to surface and more close to the edge and during the day, it will gain the center of the pit and will be held out of deeper water.
One of the most important factors for fishing with salmon is I' observation. The elements essential to observe are the luminosity of the day, the temperature and the color of water.
The color of the water of the rivers with salmons often lets to us detect with the naked eye the presence of salmon in a pit, when the luminosity allows it and that the sun helps us. It is here that the polarized glasses play a part of first order. You will thus learn how to locate the preferred places of salmon in the pit. To locate salmon, even with optimum conditions for sunning and polarized glasses, is not always easy. But, with the practice you will learn. Do not seek to see a beautiful entire salmon, rather seek to see the parts of salmon moving; the part of the most mobile salmon, it is its tail.
An important parameter is the way in which you approach the pit; check the orientation of the sun not to make shade in the pit and think of fishing side of the river of kind so that the salmon is not plugged by the sun when it takes your fly.
The salmon is recognized to jump on the surface and out of water. This behavior helps us to locate it in a pit and to evaluate its position. However, it is rare that a salmon bites after having carried out a jump. But its jump will indicate his presence and that of its fellow-members to you, because a salmon is seldom alone in a pit. A salmon which marsouine (goes up, splits the surface of water but does not jump) will be generally taking.
If you fish with the dry fly and that the salmon raises towards the fly without taking it, it is a sign which it will perhaps finish by the gober. It is necessary to leave time to salmon to take again its position and to launch again exactly to the same place. If, after some throws, the salmon repeats the same horse-gear, perhaps that and/or its speed it does not like the fly. Then change the size of the fly, its color or its presentation, in order to revive its interest.
The salmon can nervously agitate its fins at the time of the passage of the dry fly; certain salmons turn even on side. You must then remain on your guards, because the salmon can take the fly with the next throw. When you fish without to have located salmon, remain attentive, if salmons would appear in one way or another. In addition to allowing the localization of salmon, these signs will indicate that the salmon has a little interest for the fly. Follow your fly of the eyes constantly and choose a bench mark if the salmon appears, in order to launch again to the same place.
Wet, if the salmon comes towards the fly without taking it, wait during a few seconds until the salmon regains its station; then, present the fly in the same way as the preceding time. If the salmon did not take the fly after ten presentations, let it rest. Then take a bench mark on the shore or place a rock in water; for silk, it will be easy for you to note the length for which you will require when you start again to fish, if you took care to mark it or gain batture without embobiner. When you start again to fish, you will have to place yourselves at the same place and to use the same length of silk. It is always preferable not to make the first launch directly to the place where the salmon raised; starting from the bench mark on your silk, you will bring back your silk of approximately a meter and you will start to fish while gradually directing you towards the supposed place where the salmon is held. It may be that the salmon modified its position somewhat, which explains to it why precautions be taken.
This word, used only by the fishermen with the fly means that silk was suddenly tended for then becoming again soft. That is caused by a salmon which gripped the fly with its mouth without being made prick. Such a behavior of salmon very often means that it will return to take the fly, if it is presented to him again. If similar thing arrives to you, wait during a few seconds, time until the salmon reinstates its place of rest; most of the time, it will take the fly with the first following throw. If it does not take it, try to delude it by modifying your presentation with the fly. However, it is not assured that it will be interested second once by the fly if he were piqu? the first time, would be this only slightly.


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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2007, 04:16:19 am »
now you have readed how to get started with salmons , here is how to fish it:

When you fish a pit at the same time as other fishermen, take time to observe the equipment, the flies and the techniques of fishing which they use. Use your equipment, your flies and your techniques in a way different from the others so that the salmon is surprised by the difference.
We will not speak here about the various techniques from launching to the fly, we hold for asset that those which read these some lines learned how to launch to the fly or will be interested enough in fishing with salmon to learn. Moreover, it is very difficult to learn how to launch a fly by reading techniques. Nothing better than the practice.
However, i will explain the best possible two techniques which are not well known or at least not used much. The double heading will give you between 10 and 15% of more than distance without additional effort whereas the rolled throw enables you ?to pass a fly? in places which you would have usually been unaware of.

Double heading
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This technique consists in accelerating the displacement of the line when it is in the air in order to increase the distance from the throw. The left hand does all the work, which breaks up into two times, first of all at the time launching it back, then on the front throw.
Execute a traction at the time when the cane is bent forwards and another when it is bent backwards. To make this traction, one lowers the hand which holds the line of an energetic gesture until the size, before bringing back it to the level of the cane, almost as with a rubber band, while the line is held in the rings. The majority of the fishermen make a success of the first of these tractions but have difficulties in carrying out the second. One can practise this movement by working synchronization without cane.
Thus, one slowly rocks backwards the hand which normally holds the cane while carrying out other the suitable movement of traction. Mimer these gestures makes it possible to make sure that the hand holding the line goes up at once to the cane. One enters then the phase of the front throw, during which the movement of ?to and from? of the hand is carried out again holding the line. One MIME various phases with the idle, until is established a muscular automatism. Ten minutes are enough initially, before reaching the speed of launching gradually adequate. Once this movement was memorized, it is possible into practice to put quickly the technique of the double heading with the cane

Launched rolled
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One uses this technique to launch a fly when one does not have sufficient space to carry out the usual back throw. It must be carried out by giving a blow of wrist to height them eyes to leave the watermark while it is held forwards. This throw requires much more force and the blow of wrist is essential. One slowly brings the cane to 1h00 and one lets the line form a small belly. One breaks then the wrist with force, until 10h00.
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It is necessary to make derive its fly at the good speed in water. The rate of travel of the fly in or on water is difficult to describe because this speed is not easily measurable for the fisherman. It is about a direction which develops with the practice.
The fly must have a certain movement compared to salmon in the pit. The absence of movement or the slowness of displacement of an object will not make react salmon. The fly must derive naturally; what means that it must move about at the speed of the current.
But, there are exceptions to this rule. If you launch your fly when the salmon is placed in a very slow current, it will not derive at an enough high speed to interest salmon. On the contrary, your fly can be involved with sharp pace because the salmon is in a fast current. The salmon moves generally slowly to take a dry or drowned fly, which you must take into account when you present your fly. In these situations, you will have to use techniques to return your fly enticing for salmon.
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According to some, the salmon would attack the artificial fly by play, anger, reflex, reminiscence, practice. It would be shocked to see an object and would like to draw aside it from its spawning ground. It would attack the fly because of the taste of the insects still present in its memory. That could also come from the reflex of gober all that passes to range of its mouth, since it devoted all its time to be fattened at sea.
Probably that the salmon attacks flies when a whole of given conditions is present. According to the psychology of the man, who could apply to all to be alive, very gesture, any action is in reaction to internal and external stimuli; the behavior is the resultant of stimuli whose interaction is more or less complex. The internal factors are explained by the physiological state of salmon. The external factors include/understand the ambient luminosity, the temperature of water, the flow and the speed of water, the quantity of oxygen in water, the turbidity water and its depth, the relief of the bed of the river, as well as the type, the size, construction, the color and the movement of the fly in the pits, etc
One cannot act on the internal factors of salmon; however, one can suppose that on certain occasions it is more receptive with our fly (e.g. when it has just assembled rapids and that it arrives in the pit). We must thus concentrate us on the external factors in order to incite it to take the fly.
For much of fishermen, the choice of a precise model has a cardinal importance; what is not necessarily true. The choices to be posed could be described in the following order: the type of fly to be used, drowned or dries, the size, its construction, its color, and finally the model. Even if there are thousands of models of fly with salmon, a fisherman can be easily satisfied with a dozen models.
The choice of the model of the fly must be done rationally and systematically. One starts by choosing between a dry fly and a drowned fly.
The drowned fly must fix instantaneously few centimetres by touching water. Its weight depends on the hook but also on materials rolled up around the pole of the hook. The larger the hook is, the more the fly should be heavy. A double hook is heavier than a simple hook. But certain hooks of the same size and of the same length but manufactured by different companies can have very different weights.
The choice of the size of the fly depends on the conditions of water. At the beginning of season, when water is high and cold, one generally employs large flies. As the season progresses and that water drops, our drowned flies decrease by size. When water becomes very low, one can even decrease the size of the flies drowned with hooks 10, 12 and some will go even with smaller hooks.
The choice of the fly must also be done compared to the current velocity. In fast water, the fly should generally be larger; the slower water becomes, the more one decreases the size of the fly.
When one employs very small flies (lower than 10), one should take the practice to increase the length of the avan?on. However, these small flies oblige to be of an extreme delicacy when a salmon is hung there bus if one forces salmon with a small fly, one risks to see it leaving to him the mouth.
A rule of fishing known as: clear time, clear flies, dark time, dark flies. It is true, most of the time. But as the salmon distinguishes the colors, during the day, according to the turbidity of water, it must see the fly well. All depend on the luminosity, in shone upon weather, one can use flies like Silver Rat, Cossaboom, Mickey Finn, Magog Smelt whereas in covered or rainy weather, certain flies like Black Dose, Black Bear Green Butt, Black Rat have success. However, do not forget to make different. If the other fishermen use clear flies in clear weather and do not take a salmon, test a dark fly!
When one approaches a pit which one does not know, it is advantageous to start by passing a drowned fly because it makes it possible to cover the most possible surface and to observe, while descending the pit, the places where the salmon could be held.
When water is a high and cold, when it is scrambled or when it is bubbling, drowned fly makes the deal well, even in the half-light (with the dawn or the twilight).
When water is high and cold, i.e. especially at the beginning of season of fishing, the salmon is found everywhere in river. It is not necessarily stopped in the pits; if it is in a pit, it can be everywhere in the pit. At this period, the salmon has thicker of water above the head and this water is sometimes less clear: it will thus see more easily a drowned fly than a dry fly.
The size of the hook employed in the assembly of the dry flies determines its form and its size. These hooks are made of a metal of diameter smaller than the drowned flies, so that they are lighter, therefore so that they float better.
Even if the salmon is conscious of the various colors, it is compared to the movement that it reacts more. It is the rate of travel of the fly in its visual field which encourages it to attack.
The use of the dry fly prevails when the level of water drops and that the temperature of water increases, which makes it possible salmons to better see the dry fly which floats on water. One obtains more success with dry when one already located the place where is the salmon. One fishes there especially in waxed or one explores portions of pit where it is believed that the salmon can stop. And often, one only fishes with dry to give pleasure. What a solemn moment when one sees a salmon starting from his position, going up gently and taking our dry! These a few seconds are worth many days of fishing without success!
While fishing with drowned, you will move upstream towards the downstream, i.e. in the same direction as the current. Most of the time, you will use a floating silk. However, silk with end fixing, or fixing over all its length can be employed more effectively when water is high and/or dirty or even in period of low water level.
By approaching a pit for the first time, there is advantage systematically to cover it in order to make pass your fly above all the dens likely to retain salmon. Avoid penetrating too far in water, in order not to alert or frighten the salmon which would be there.
Think of regulating the tension of the brake of your winch so that it is just sufficient to prevent that the winch is not reeled easily. Unroll approximately 3 meters of silk and made a first launch; hold the cane parallel with water while the fly travels in water. Once the finished drift, withdraw the silk of water and launch again, by lengthening the silk from 25 to 30 cm, and start again the horse-gear described previously. Repeat these gestures until you covered the width of the rapid or when you reach your maximum capacity to launch. While you pose these gestures, do not change a position. When your throw is at its maximum distance, start to go down along the pit. You advance of one or two steps with each one or two throws, until the fly reaches the tail of the pit. Never advance while the fly still derives, not to modify its race and thus to prevent it from passing above a salmon den. When you fish as described above, you are always in front of salmon. Do not forget, fishing with the drowned fly is carried out upstream towards the downstream, therefore of the head to the tail (the top downwards), but not anyhow, if not you are likely to lose much time to think that your technique is good and that it is the salmon which is not mordeux, while the fishermen experienced around you have success.
The length of the throw affects the tape speed of the fly in front of salmon. In a rapid, if you must join salmons located on other bank, and that you carry out a throw runs, silk will be carried by the rapid sometimes even before your fly starts to go down. You should then lengthen the throws by decreasing the angle of the throw compared to the current; silk will be thus carried by the current and its speed will be decreased.
As it further will be seen, it is recommended to launch to 45? compared to the current, which is an angle considered normal. If the current is strong, by decreasing this angle, the throws must lengthen to cover all the width of the pit. When the current is slow it is necessary to increase the angle of attack of 45? perhaps even up to 70 ? to maintain the speed of the fly. If the pit is not widening, it is then necessary to shorten the length of silk presented. Thus the length of the throws depends on the localization of salmons, but also the speed which the fly must have.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2007, 04:22:06 am »
USUAL MANNERS TO FISH

with 45 degrees/
It is a question here of launching to an angle of 45? downstream (thus while descending the pit) across the current. It is the method most regularly employed. The fly thus presented will generally derive in the pit at the speed of the current.
with 90 degrees/
It is a throw perpendicular within the meaning of the current. This manner of presenting the fly will be useful when the current velocity is slow. In this way, the fly will move more quickly than the current, since the current will force silk to shoot at the fly.
with ? 30 degrees/
This throw towards the downstream, but with closed angle (? 30?) will be necessary when the current is too fast. The more the angle of the throw will be closed, the less the current will have time to draw on silk to accelerate the displacement of the fly.

Presentation of the drowned fly
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Many fishermen believe that when one speaks about presentation of the fly, one speaks only about his arrival in water. Even if this arrival with water is very important with the trout fishing, it is not it with fishing with salmon. We point out that with trout, one tries to imitate an insect which is posed on water, whereas with salmon, our fly does not try to imitate an insect, it tries to start the attack.
The presentation of the drowned fly means all its displacement, of the arrival of the fly to water until the snatch of silk.
The control of the throw plays an important part in the displacement of the fly. To maximize the use of the fly, it must start to work as soon as it is inserted in water. With this intention, the silk and the bottom of line will have to extend right well.
A tip, if your fly falls badly to water and that you do not like your throw, do not tear off your silk of water, but rather let continue his master key to him. If not you are likely to frighten salmon and thus to betray your presence. It is very important to leave time to the fly to finish its drift. It happens sometimes that a salmon interested by the fly comes to take it during the last seconds of the drift, almost on batture. If you too early tear off the silk of water, this gesture will be able to make you miss the catch of a salmon without you knowing it.

?Hitch Portland cement?
It is a technique of fishings which are connected with that of 45?. The difference is that the fly patinates on the surface throughout its way, by describing a ?V?. One obtains this result by forming a half-key with the bottom of line behind the head of the fly. This technique is employed out of normal or low water.

?Obvious Fishing?
In normal or low water condition, one can use the method of Obvious Fishing. It is a question of launching a fly drowned upstream, with an angle of 45?, and of letting it descend the current, a little as with the dry one. It is a way of presenting drowned differently because the wings thus produce a movement which changes the presentation.

Recovery by jerks
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One recovers silk by jerks during his drift while quickly bringing back it by length from 15 to 30 cm. This technique especially is used when the current is very slow, because it helps to give movement to the fly. The best results occur when a large streamer is used.

To fish by dandling the cane
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One agitates the cane in a from top to bottom movement to give life to the fly. However, if you use this technique, you can be made look at through bus certain fishermen will think that you try ?jigger? the salmon!

Knowledge of the good dens
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When you know the pit and that you know where the salmon is accustomed to being held, you can not sweep all the pit. You can cover only a few meters upstream den, to manage from there to make just derive the fly above salmon. The same rule applies if you located visu the salmon in the pit.

With the dry one
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The first condition to consider to use a dry fly is the speed of water; dry deposited on water moving at a suitable speed will be able to make move a salmon.
With dry, the way which the fly settles on water much more important than with is drowned because it is more close to salmon and that it risks to frighten it. The heavier silk will be, plus its fall on the surface of water will be noisy, but more it will be easy to propel it at long distance. It will be easier on the other hand, to delicately deposit dry with a light silk. Thus, a double spindle will allow a more delicate presentation compared to a silk with decentred spindle, heavier at its end. On the other hand, a long distance can be more difficult to obtain with this silk. A way of circumventing the problem is to lengthen the cane to increase the action leverage. For example, a cane of 10 feet and a silk No 6 or 7 with double spindle will enable you to combine delicacy and power for the distance.
Choose a cane with an action of rapid to very fast. This range of action answers better the nervous door-fitting practised dry like the multiple installations and changings of fly which this type of fishing requires.
The use of the dry fly is especially appropriate when water runs slowly either with the tail of the pit, or in one waxed after a rapid, etc When one approaches a pit which one does not know, the following technique of prospection of a pit is more effective and most systematic to cover a pit. Begin fishing downstream from the pit, bellow of last salmons seen or potentially present. Present the fly in an imaginary corridor parallel with bank with eight meters or less you, depend on the configuration of the river and bank. Present your flies in this corridor, measures per meter, upstream, until the attack of your limit of delicate presentation.
Without changing position on bank, imagine another corridor parallel with bank but, this time, with eight meters of you. Repeat the throws on the basis of the bottom of the corridor by going up it with spaced presentations of approximately a meter. You do as many corridors as the width of the pit requires it or also far your capacity with presenting the fly well allow it to you.
Once this covered surface, you from two to three meters move upstream and repeat the operation corridor and so on. You will have covered all the pit without showing your silk before your fly.
With dry, the ideal is to have located the salmon or to know its usual position in a pit. One places oneself then downstream from salmon, and one aims initially on his tail, then on his back, then on his head, then 30 to 40 cm ahead and finally, between one and two meters upstream. The fly should float not more than two meters each time. If there is no reaction, one starts again another series of throws on his line, then on his left. If the salmon comes to see the fly without taking it, it is preferable to wait a few seconds then to launch again to the same place either by keeping the same fly, or, which is often effective, by presenting another fly to him.
If it does not come to see the fly, one can start again with a different fly. After some flies, change salmon, even if it means to return later in day.
Another trick consists to deposit the fly two or three meters in front of salmon, and to withdraw it approximately 40 cm before it does not arrive at salmon. One carries out this stratagem three or four times, then the fly should be deposited exactly where removed it to you during the preceding throws.
It is very important, when the fly was deposited on water, never not to keep of slackness in silk at the end of the cane; with the free hand, recover this slackness created in silk by the current, at the same rate/rhythm as the current reduces silk, in order to be always ready to shoe if a salmon bites.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2007, 04:30:00 am »
Until now, i spoke about strategies of general fishings in the traditional or regular pits, but here some alternatives under particular conditions:

In the rapids ,you must present dries it in the edge of the current, i.e. there is a zone, along the rapid, where water practically runs out at the same speed as in the zone of turbulence of the fast current; it is in this zone that your flies should be deposited.
In the rapid, seek the zones where water seems calm. The profile of the river bed supports the formation of slickenside. These mirrors are like windows for salmon, and it is there that your fly should be thrown.
In turbulence, use a fly which floats well and which is larger. If the fly is inserted under the effect of the rapid, it is necessary to withdraw it without splash and to seek a zone which will let it float.
To fish an inaccessible pit by the bank or the back, it is necessary to be placed upstream, vis-a-vis salmons but not to be seen rather far.
The throw must be in serpentine, i.e. it is necessary to shake the cane from left to right firm and full movement, before silk does not touch water. Thus, it will settle on water in serpentine. While descending the current, silk will be rectified and the fly will float naturally to salmon.
In cold water, the salmon is much slower to answer the stimuli of the dry one. Seek salmons located on the feet of pits, in a mean thickness of water.
In hot water, the salmon is more receptive with the dry one. Seek the candidates who are localised in thin and sharp water, they are the easiest ones.

Presentation of the fly dries
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The dry fly must derive freely with the liking from the current, without any influence of silk; a fly dries which patinates on water will interest only seldom salmon.
The arrival of the dry fly on water must be done carefully, ?to settle?. In any time, it must be well held on water, float quite right, supported by the tail, the body and the hackles. To help dries it with well floating, one can apply a very viscous paste or liquid to him which it is necessary well to make penetrate in the body of the fly. It is important to apply some to all the surface of the fly. Moreover, if your avan?on is 3 meters, it would be preferable to change it for one 4 meters. That will facilitate the presentation of the fly and it will float much better. It is a very simple technique but it functions really well.
The dry ones which comprises wings should not lie down on the side or the back. If you realize that your fly is badly presented, do not tear off it violently water, especially if it passes close to the den of a salmon; let continue it its voyage. Just like with drowned, it is better a fly badly presented which passes in front of salmon that a withdrawal which betrays your presence.

Approach salmon to the dry fly
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When a group of salmons was found, one must launch dry here and there, in ?changing salmon? to all the 5 to 10 throws. You will be surely tempted to launch above largest; but to obtain success, you of all salmons worry. A dry fly presented at a salmon can be seen by other salmons located close to him.

Special presentations
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When none the usual methods to fish with dry produced result, you can try to present your fly in a different way:
by making it patinate dries it on the surface of water; you make it hop on the surface water.
by employing ?bugs? (species to bend without hackle), you can make react salmon by presenting them in such way that it strikes water violently.
by using the ?technique of the clock?, in the condition of having located salmon as a preliminary. The way of launching is characterized as much by its precision as by its regular rate. The fly remains from one to two seconds on water; it is then raised to be started again and deposited at the following point. The regularity of the movements and the relatively short period during which the fly rests on water will encourage salmon to even move towards the fly, sometimes front as the fly does not settle on water! That requires to observe very well the reactions of salmon and to act consequently.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2007, 04:37:45 am »
Interesting but I am in California and was fishing the Feather river which empties into the Sacramento river the same as the Pit river a few miles from my cabin. The Pit river changes it's name to Sacramento river after it leaves Shasta Lake...which is the home of all Rainbow Trout in the world as they have been transplanted around the globe.

Anyhow the salmon in the Feather river are almost thick enough to walk across to the other bank this time of year.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2007, 04:41:31 am »
Interesting but I am in California and was fishing the Feather river which empties into the Sacramento river the same as the Pit river a few miles from my cabin. The Pit river changes it's name to Sacramento river after it leaves Shasta Lake...which is the home of all Rainbow Trout in the world as they have been transplanted around the globe.

Anyhow the salmon in the Feather river are almost thick enough to walk across to the other bank this time of year.

you have a lot of chance to live in northen California :)

Some more advanced techniques , some can be considered like "cheating" by puristes:

The majority of the salmon fishermen use traditional flies drowned or of the dry flies. Other types of flies can prove very effective, they are the ?Streamers? or the ?Bucktails?.
The difference? For a ?Streamer? in fact the feathers usually prevail in the wings while for a ?Bucktail?, they are the hairs, of roe-deer.
The purpose of the two kinds of flies are first to imitate small fish which enter the food chain of salmon and which could wake up its appetite.
The salmon is famous not to be nourished as soon as it returns out of fresh water. It thus becomes difficult to conceive that one can capture it by presenting an imitation of his food to him. Let us say simply that the streamers or the bucktails can excite the appetite of fish, or at least to cause its reaction.
Several fishermen use the streamers or the bucktails when water is high, dirty and in the large currents, as at the beginning of season, and that because they are easily visible. But the fishermen of experiment know also their effectiveness when water is low and clear and that the salmon does not seem interested by the usual flies.
The methods of fishing to the streamer or the bucktail are particular. One their advantages is to make move salmon for thus locating it.
Even if the salmon does not take the fly, it betrays its position and allows us to try to take it with a more traditional fly.
As with the dry fly, the throw is done perpendicular to the current or while launching current upstream. One draws then on silk by jerks from 40 to 60 cm to give action to the fly.
As for drowned, it is always necessary to bring back the fly more close possible of oneself before withdrawing it water, since often the salmon follows it a long time before deciding to take it.
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FERRER:

When the salmon decides to take dries it, it leaves its position, while being let derive under the fly, the head in the air; then, it approaches some slowly, while opening the mouth. It arrives on the surface by behind or by in lower part of the fly and the gobe and towards the bottom of the pit the head in bottom is turned over from there. It is when the salmon left the surface of water that it is necessary for you to shoe.
You shoe by raising the cane with the vertical abruptly and by drawing at the same time silk with your free hand. It is thus important that in any time, you make your provisions so that there is not a too big length of loose silk between the fly and the cane, in order to be able to shoe effectively.
The secrecy of a successful door-fitting, it is the one duration waiting of a few seconds, after the salmon split the surface of water for gober the fly. To calculate time that it is necessary to shoe, you must take into account the length of the silk extended to the surface of water. The shorter silk is, the more you must leave time to salmon to fix well with the fly; the longer silk is, the less you must wait to shoe, because the blow whom you give will not be transmitted instantaneously to the fly.
When i fish out of fast water and that a salmon takes the fly, most of the time, the salmon bottle pincers itself. By seeing the fly, the salmon moves slowly towards it, opens the mouth and seizes it, then transfers to turn over to its place of origin, and all that rather slowly. The fastest movement that it makes, it is when it is turned over after having seized the fly. You then feel the input voltage of salmon; it is there that a well tended silk takes its importance; as soon as the salmon takes the fly and is turned over, a strong tension occurs, and it is what makes it possible the fly to prick it.
You must then raise the cane in driving position thus to put the cane almost on your face, to create a tension which allows a better penetration of the fly in the mouth of salmon. Out of more moderate or slow water, you must leave time to salmon to take the fly and to go down with it.
As soon as the line becomes stiff, you must advance your cane in order to give slackness to silk. This gesture makes it possible salmon to go down with the fly without suspecting that it is taken; if it feels a resistance, it can spit the fly. Instead of advancing the cane you can also proceed as follows: once the drift of the started fly, form a loop of a few centimetres with silk between the handle of cork and the winch and, hold your silk by supporting the index against the cork handle. When it bites, release silk. By slackening the pressure exerted by the index, that will create slackness.
Between moment when it takes the fly and that where you shoe, it runs out only one short moment. The door-fitting is made when you raise the cane with the vertical quickly.


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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2007, 04:46:20 am »
FINALLY , cos that makes a lot to read ;
A shoed salmon does not mean overcome salmon, there are unverifiable things for which it is necessary to face. But to help you to save your salmon, here are some other tips.

First moments!!!:

The first thing to be made after having shoed salmon is to control your emotions. Calms will allow you to judge the situation and to react correctly. After having shoed, immediately raise the cane almost with the vertical and thus keep it until the end of the combat. In this way, you will use to the maximum the spring of the cane, silk and the avan?on.
When a salmon is shoed, it takes a few seconds before reacting, as if it did not realize yet very well what arrives to him. Benefit from this moment to recover loose silk while embobinant and to try to bring salmon in a calmer sector of the pit. Leave water by joining batture, which will enable you to run if the salmon decides to go down in the pit.
When it realizes that it is taken, it engages a race in the pit, by putting at it all its energy and its weight. Therefore, at the beginning of the combat, the tension of the winch will have to be weak, to prevent just enough that it is reeled easily. Your only choice is to let it slip by. If you exert a too strong resistance, the salmon would be likely to break the bottom of line or to tear off the fly of its mouth.
"Embobinez" silk at once that it will slow down or that it will stop. If you feel a good resistance of its share, let go the crank of the winch.
It is known which the salmons often carry out of the jumps out of water, but the experiment will teach you that the salmon is about to jump when silk returns quickly on the surface. When it jumps, lower the cane if the salmon is close to you, because it would be likely to break the bottom of line if silk remained tended. As soon as it falls down, raise the cane. If it is distant from you, raise the cane, that decreases the tension on silk.
With high water, there are risks which it seeks to leave the pit and often, it will be difficult to follow salmon. You will have to then force salmon until it goes up the current. It is preferable to force it side, this tension will make it move in a way which is not natural for him. If you feel that you cannot any more force it without all to break, quickly leave silk your winch. Thus you will cancel the tension on silk, it will have the impression to be taken down and will stop.
It can happen that a large salmon is immobilized in the content. The best means of making it move will be of launching a stone in its direction or than a companion enters water and frightens him.

Thereafter:

After a few minutes of combat, its efforts will decrease, you will have to then increase the tension of your winch, to tire it more quickly. When you can it, involve it out of water calms and try to retain it there longest possible. When there is no current, it is forced to spend more energy to move.
Do not try to go too quickly when the salmon is let approach for the first time. You will be perhaps tempted to capture it (or to make it capture by your companion), but most of the time, the salmon will run away yourselves when it sees you for the first time. It is likely to have the same reaction at the time of the second approach.

Finally!!!?

When the salmon gives signs of tiredness, i.e. when it goes up easily on the surface, that its head leaves water and/or that it is transfered on the side, more strongly increase the tension exerted by the winch by pressing the palm of your hand on the drum of the winch. Returned at this stage, you must force it a little, however you must show much prudence. Normally, with the third approach, you will be able to seize it.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2007, 04:59:37 am »
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you have a lot of chance to live in northen California
My home for over 50 years has has been the beach area of Los Angeles.
The place I am using as a "base camp" is a 14 hour long drive north...but still in the 5-6th largest population/economy in the world.

The BIG difference is that in LA county we have over 16 million people and here in Modoc county they have just over 8,000!!
More cows,deer and elk than people.
You can see Mount Shasta from the main town in the county 150 miles away...covered with snow in mid summer while it is 100F here.

If this county had a better hospital I would move here...but I am really thinking of land near Redding ,California in Shasta county as the city has the same basic population as Culver City near my home.
I may open a computer store there as well as a home nursing business.

*While we crash and burn, small, low tech, agrarian societies such as the Hmong in the mountains of Laos will continue on without so much as blinking an eye.*

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2007, 05:13:49 am »
sounds like a paradise.
usually when i think about northen california , what comes in my mind is sac-town , Fresno , the bay and Frisco.
Never really imagined you could have this kind of fishing there.
Thought it was more an Oregon , WA state , and Alaskan privilege.
USA is very big , i am sure there are still undiscovered fishing sites in Montana for exemple.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2007, 06:04:42 am »
Well most of the 36-38 million "known" population of California as per the last census is in the south and San Fransisco area...but California is not only vast in size/population but one of the worlds major agricultural areas for many crops/animal/seafood products other than wheat and accounts for up to as much as 80% of the US production for many food products.

Modoc/Shasta counties are at the top of the state just below Oregon.

East of San Fransisco and southwest of the "wine country" is what is known as the Silicon Valley...home to many computer/IT/electronic companies and massive warehouses of stockpiled electronic parts which are shipped around the world.

Other than a few socialist/anti Constitutionalists types in state government it is a good place and we FIRED the last asshole Governor mid term and put Arnold in charge!
Power to the People rings true here.....most of the time. Still a few assholes in politics that should be out of work.

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Re: [tutorial for ZE] getting ready for serious Salmon fishing
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2007, 06:15:10 am »
...and put Arnold in charge!

are you really a fan of Arny?