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« on: October 06, 2005, 09:12:05 pm »
Whats so fun about making cheats?  Just wondering cause I dont understand what the pay off is so to speak generaly people do things for a reason and that reason being gratification of self or another.  Cheating gratifies you how?  This almost seems as vain as me posting this because Im sure Ill be called names and told that Im a child or some sort of clever remark.  I used to play with RN and 88th in ofp currently Im in Iraq and I was really out of the loop I remember the Ryst ammo trainer and yeah that was fun for me and a buddie on his server playing who can launch the jeep the farthest but I dont understand that desire to do it in a  game to win? or to be funny?  Ok now I admit Im a real layman when it comes to code and this and that I have no idea what Im doing I play for the enjoyment and to kill time if I have any.  But it seems to me sitting around and spending that kind of time to find a way to make bombs fall from the sky in a digital world seems like a waste..... Ok whe you do this type of thing the next action taken by the other people online is usually rage that the game got "ruined" well yes it did they wanted to do something together and yes sure they dont really know eachother and they are just digital names on a screen but they came there to play the "Advertised game" and you came to do what?  Drop bombs and piss of people who wanted something else is this a sort of meglomaniac complex no controll in the real world so must have controll over something, albeit a digital world but still you feel as if you have a controll over fate?   I realizie people do all kinds of weird shi* ( I dont know if I can cuss on here my nature is not very senstive comes with the job I guess)  for self gratification and I cannot belive that this cheating is gratifying to anyone but the person doing it.   Im trying to figure this out in my head Im not sure what or how you cheat or make things fall from the sky and such but you do it then people get pissed then you sit there and cakle in impotent rage? I mean comon theres alot more to that in life fellas if thats the high point you need to get out more often lol.

This almost seems like a hack of sorts is that what you consider yourself a hacker?   There are some pretty smart litterate people posting in here Ive read what they have said and they seem intelegent but I still cant imagine why would you choose cheating as a hobby and like in most situations like this you usually find a few smart guys and a bunch of clingons hanging on to the brains of the people who come up with the ideas and have the know how to implement their ideas.  So feed the ignorant with your work I suppose and they will call you gods and pump up your own egos lol I really am getting to think this is about ego and not what you claim it to be "fun" lol  It almost seems like a pecker measuring contest mines bigger than yours my cheats are better than your anti cheat server lol.  Ok wow well thats got to be  fullfilling.  

Well I look forward to seeing the replies in here lol Im sure they will be pretty off the wall.

And yes thats my real online gaming name and you can reach me at lamar.wilson1@us.army.mil   keep it civil cause I assure you thats not a private server or what ever just being friendly and letting you know ahead of time.  lol thats kinda funny aint it cause I see like 500 people are here registered probably over that and how many of them use their game name why have a id changer?  I guess its because of my real life that I take it over to this digital world too I dont hide I dont change my looks or ip id I refuse to part of that honor thing with soilders I guess.

Oh and another big question if you want to cheat and you enjoy it so much and the thrill is out cheating or out hacking as one person put it why not make your own cheat server for ofp and cheat till your little hearts content heckle eachother and have a competion and be proud of it I mean use that name only that name with an XML I mean if thats what this is about the creation of cheats and other things to keep the game going make your own server and extend the game that way then perhaps you could save the ofp community having a cheat freindly server hell I dont know I dont play to cheat I play for fun fair game play but perhaps some of you do find that fun buy your own server and you can cheat there and bring in all the cheaters of the world together you can cheat and win against cheaters unitied and now Im being sarcastic lol..... Hell its just an idea that and the more I think about the id changer the more I think it sounds like cowardace to cheat and hide if your proud of it as some of you claim to be why hide?  Changing names and ID's?  Cause your gonna get banned so what I mean why should you care were just digital anyway and you can set up the cheat server and never get banned for cheating again Id really like to see how that place fills up cheaters playing against cheaters and knowing it kinda would take the fun out of cheating huh?  Why dont you give it a try comeon good times cheats no bans all that fun in one little spot makes you kinda squishy in the shorts dont it?  lol there I go with the sarcasam again.   Oh and another thing dont you ever worry about you know reprecussions?  I mean thats why alot of people dont cheat I mean even in daily life you dont cheat on your wife cause she may get a shotgun and cut you in half so you divorce before you find a new girlfriend.  You dont cheat in school cause if your caught you flunked.   So how is cheating here any diffrent except you can hide and the punishment is a ban and perhaps a ban on people who didnt deserve it due to a wide IP ban?  Well isnt that clever I just messed with someone who didnt mess with me wow good times.
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2005, 09:45:32 pm »
Cheating is much more fun, that's why. Check the TK FAQ by TheHeckler! and you'll have an answer for all your questions ;)

I also edited your email, added _at_ instead of @.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2005, 10:03:20 pm »
--------------------------The Creed of TKC--------------------------

Mission Statement

We at TKC are members of a gaming community dedicated to the advancement of online cheating, teamkilling, and other forms of unconventional gameplay; better known as "Heckling". Our primary goal is to develop and teach methods of prolonging the gaming experience through these means. TKC also aims to publicly legitimize all styles of heckling; that despite arguments of cynicism, this method of play can be quite enjoyable and worthwhile for a significant and ever increasing number of players.

Gaming Philosophy

Games, above all else must be fun for the player. ?Player? referencing the individual who is playing the game, not the gaming community as a whole. When a game has lost its entertainment value, there ceases to be a purpose to play. Players have the right to due whatever is necessary to perpetuate or resurrect enjoyment in a game for as long as desired, and this right need not be sacrificed for the enjoyment of fellow players.

Cheating Philosophy

As with real life, there are many different types of people present in online gaming, with many different tastes. Some are content with a game as it was intended for play by the developers, while others are not. We do not agree with the notion that if one is not satisfied with a game the way it was developed, that a player should look for another game to play. When a game does not meet one?s expectations, or has lost its former appeal, the use of game modification techniques is encouraged to create a better gameplay experience for the player. This same belief applies to unintended coding vulnerabilities as well.

Player vs. Community Philosophy

As mentioned above, an individual player's right to enjoy a game is absolute in our eyes and does not need to be compromised for the enjoyment of others. This belief extends from two facts. One, players do not know personally the people with whom they play with; they are complete strangers meeting online for entertainment. And two, no matter what a player does to others during a match and no matter how they react; at the end of the day it?s still only a game. The belief that one must ?show respect? to their fellow players is not shared in this community. Respect is something that must be earned through time, not automatically given to strangers in an online game.


Are you refering to this bit of retoric here?  And cheating is fun is not an answer to my question what is the gratifacation from cheating?  I know why I played OFP becuause I enjoyed playing with my friends online talking a little bad mouthing here and there on TS but all in all a group working to a common goal and even if it was a  death match and we were not working together but as individual players we still had a good time playing by the "rules" but I still wonder what is the gratifcation of cheating?
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2005, 11:04:30 pm »
Basicly I see cheating is fun cause you get to piss people off and you like a reaction.


He calles it outdated game play hmmmm I dont think

Or is it you who is allowing your fun to be ruined? How another player chooses to go about enjoying his or her copy of a game shouldn?t matter to someone who is a down to earth individual. In terms of cheats, if someone happens to be using an aimbot or wallhack so what? Continue playing the way you usually do, it isn?t as if your player?s character has been crippled in anyway so it should be immaterial to you. Many times players quit having fun in sight of hecklers because they cherish outdated gameplay to that of a holy grail. They don?t need to realize that there are other ways to derive pleasure from gaming than having the highest kill ratio.

Granted, there are exceptions, as heckling also evokes team killing, harassment, and general non-sense. As expected, such acts will cause some players to become irate. Admittedly we have a very egocentric view of online gaming, and this is where our ideologies with others clash. Our detractors insist that there is an unwritten and unified code of ethics to be followed amongst gamers; we do not share this belief. To us, the primary function of a game is enjoyment for the individual player, not to the gaming community as a whole

So Im not an Individual?  I dont like to cheat or play against people who do so by being that Im a what?  An anti-Cheater I suppose so and proud of it too I guess.  See the other thing that gets me is.


Hecklers Are Cowards Hiding Behind Their PC?s

Your understanding of meta physics must be entirely different than ours. The discernment we had is that a human being cannot digitize himself through the cyber world and reappear in your living room to be face to face with you. Seriously though, of course we?re ?behind our PC?s?, this in the Internet, there is no other form of communication that can take place without being in front of a monitor and keyboard. The individuals who make insinuating comments like this don?t seem to realize that they are actually describing their own actions, thereby labeling themselves hypocrites.

They seem oblivious to the fact that they are indeed hiding behind their PC?s; trying to pick a fight with someone they know cannot enact any consequence on them beyond the scope of the online world. Why some believe this is even an issue is baffling; when did these people even get the impression that hecklers were trying to act tough? We are just a segment of players trying to enjoy online gaming; our actions make us no more brave nor cowardly than any other gamer ?hiding behind their PC?. When it comes to such matters, bravery really isn?t an issue one way or another; and even if it were, there is no way to measure ?bravery? in a medium of this nature.


So changing ID's and IP's is just not a form of disguise?  See here we certinaly differ I wont change my IP or ID I wouldnt change out of My DCU's In downtown Mosul after a firefight gone wrong these two things are comparable its hidding your idenity you can claim one is life and one is digital but still yet one is being a coward on the street and one is being a coward online.   2+2=green dont work with me.  And no I dont think your picking a fight with me unless I owned or paid for a server and I told you not to ever be there.  That is comparable to me buying a house and you being in my front yard yelling at me god only knows what distrubing me and what I paid for and that would get you hurt.  So how do you figure this is really all that diffrent didnt someone pay for this game this server this time they are spending online doing what they choose lets.  Yes I belive your taking someones money from them if you are using something they were gracious enough to allow the public to use in a mannner inconsistent with its intent.  For instance if a public water fountian were modified to spray water up out the side and you were caught doing this modification do you think there would be consiquence?  Hmmmmmm strange this seems to come back to I guess your lucky this aint real life lol.   But you dont think that someone someday will say hey your taking my time my money that I spent for an activity of my choosing and doing with it what you will beyond my intent as owner purchaser of this equipment and time?  Kinda comes down to right and wrong again dont it?
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2005, 11:11:57 pm »
Alright it's your choice to keep the @ there. But it's not very wise to do so. Spambots search the net for email addys...

Many people cheat because it's fun, it's just that simple. That's the gratification, fun.

ID changers is a way of extending the fun.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2005, 11:32:58 pm »
Putting an end to games is the exact opposite of our intentions. Instead we aim to revitalize games through introducing new and distinct game play mechanics. Some players may feel that heckling ?ruins? their enjoyment of the game. However, their individual perception of what creates satisfaction is not contingent to the entire gaming community. And just as sure as a video game is not a living being, it of course cannot be ?killed? either. Players who refuse to adapt to new styles of play may find it intolerable to continue playing under these conditions. This is their prerogative however, and does not subtract from the game as a whole


Now that comment is quite contrary to what your doing.

You admit your a small segment correct? getting bigger but not alot of you as a whole.  

So A server admin sees he has to ban a range of IP's so he bans them including perhaps some normal players that wanted to have fun now if he does this enough he looses people who just wanted to play the game as it was intended.  There by limiting the number of online players yet?  2+2 still aint green.  Now there are less players hence the game "dies" Now your new style of play requires that you cheat and Ill let you have that its fun for you go for it hell hitting yourself in the head might be fun too and just about as productive.  


So you make admins lock down the servers sometimes booting people and banning people who dont deserve it this extends the game how?  Yeah getting rid of the majority will extend the games life ok and 5+5 is green now too.

I think you just enjoy pissing people off by taking thier money and no doubts about it someone somewhere paid for that server paid for that game and for their entertainment and the entertainment of people with the same ideals as them and views on that game hence they put up a CTF server that plays HEX or a CTI server that plays cti.  So you think that this is in no way wrong.  To take what a man paid for with his own money or a groups money as RN does,  So just because the sign says dont piss like sis pick up the seat and piss like dad your just gonna piss all over the seat.   Great thats really original thinking yeah anarchist is what it comes down to you dont like rules so you break em with out worrying or thinking that hell there may be some consiquence.  and yeah there probably wont be a physical consquence I admit that and you seem proud to point that out all I can say is your lucky there aint cause if you took mine and did with it as you pleased and not as I intended Id club you like a baby seal and no Im not a digital tough guy Im the real deal I dont put up fake profiles and pretend Im someone else but I do train to kill and have and Im not proud of taking lives but its what had to be done at the moment and I gaurntee you if this were real and not digital you wouldnt be so quick to take my time and money from me.  And you can lie to yourself all you want that your not hurting anyone or taking anything from anyone but you are and you get your jollies off on it hey thats not my problem Im not a server admin Like Mal is but dont be so quick to think what you do is not illegal sure there may not be a law here and now for it that spells it out in black and white but as your leader put it in la there are alot of blood thirsty laywers that could prove that you had in fact abused someones personal propertiy with malicous intent and the only reason you could come up with is it was fun I dont think a jury would take long on that judgementm because 2+2 will never be green.
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2005, 12:04:03 am »
Why would the fun need to be extended?   I can answer that cause you are going to be banned.  Why am I going to be banned?  Well because you are doing what somone doesnt want you to do on something they own.  Ah Ha Ill change My id cause then I can get back in and do it again cause its fun cause I didnt pay for it and I dont care about anyone but myself haha egocentric and just plain out rude and this is what your really after its the end product someone pissed off at you.   Makes me wonder if there was some trauma in your tender years as a child that makes you want to upset people.  Ok real life would you team kill a soilder?  Or lets go milder ummm Some one is gardening (hey its an idea)  and you come up to them while they are doing so and push them over they fall down the ground it soft no major damage to them or what they were enjoying.  Do you really think thats a good time?


Ok this is about cheating more so than distrubing people right er but cheating disturbs them so the end effect is still the same ok
Its not about cheating its about extending the game play well that form of extension distrubs them
SHIT theres  a pattern forming here
Its not about extending game play its about me and what I want to do with my game oh crap thats distrubing them too
Its not about me its about the cheating community and ok Ill give you that great do that your own server should suffice but then it would take the fun out of it cause then you wouldnt piss anyone off.   Dammn and its no fun to cheat against a cheater and sometimes its like Im a athlete that needs an extra edge so I use steriods shame cheating wont shrivle the nads wouldnt that be a funny side effect LMAO Your going bald and have man boobies was it steriods no I was a cheater LOL Ok so thats not a good comparison either and besides steriods are illegial black and white funny how your boss uses a clearly defined illegal substance to prove hes right in his thinking hell I got an Idea lets compare what your doing to crack cocaine it helps you get that edge on the compettion your quick your jerkey your fingers are moving so fast sometimes you just need that extra edge. LOL
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2005, 12:27:19 am »
wow im impressed by your passion to write so detailed about this boring old topic, maybe you use the search function of the forum to find your answer, we had this topic over 10+ times alone in the ofp section i guess.
i allways only read the first 3 lines of your text and stoped reading because u sounded like some christian missionary  :P okok i read a bit m0re (i did not read everything i just overflow it) and i found this text line: "I still cant imagine why would you choose cheating as a hobby and like in most situations like this you usually find a few smart guys..." i asked me this questin a couple of times too and i came to the answer: i like to program stuff, like figuring out solutions for certains problems and realizing new ideas and since i have no idea what else to program i do just this  :o

and this "You dont cheat in school cause if your caught you flunked. "...i dont need to cheat in school was never necessary.

u said ur right now in the irque, whats your rank and r u sure that a [INSERT_YOUR_RANK_HERE] has the time and the passion to write about a cheaters from a computer game where u can get killed at the same time next monring?

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2005, 12:41:42 am »
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Why would the fun need to be extended?   I can answer that cause you are going to be banned.  Why am I going to be banned?  Well because you are doing what somone doesnt want you to do on something they own.  Ah Ha Ill change My id cause then I can get back in and do it again cause its fun cause I didnt pay for it and I dont care about anyone but myself haha egocentric and just plain out rude and this is what your really after its the end product someone pissed off at you.   Makes me wonder if there was some trauma in your tender years as a child that makes you want to upset people.  Ok real life would you team kill a soilder?  Or lets go milder ummm Some one is gardening (hey its an idea)  and you come up to them while they are doing so and push them over they fall down the ground it soft no major damage to them or what they were enjoying.  Do you really think thats a good time?


Ok this is about cheating more so than distrubing people right er but cheating disturbs them so the end effect is still the same ok
Its not about cheating its about extending the game play well that form of extension distrubs them
SHIT theres  a pattern forming here
Its not about extending game play its about me and what I want to do with my game oh crap thats distrubing them too
Its not about me its about the cheating community and ok Ill give you that great do that your own server should suffice but then it would take the fun out of it cause then you wouldnt piss anyone off.   Dammn and its no fun to cheat against a cheater and sometimes its like Im a athlete that needs an extra edge so I use steriods shame cheating wont shrivle the nads wouldnt that be a funny side effect LMAO Your going bald and have man boobies was it steriods no I was a cheater LOL Ok so thats not a good comparison either and besides steriods are illegial black and white funny how your boss uses a clearly defined illegal substance to prove hes right in his thinking hell I got an Idea lets compare what your doing to crack cocaine it helps you get that edge on the compettion your quick your jerkey your fingers are moving so fast sometimes you just need that extra edge. LOL


Lol, well as I said I cheat for fun, not for making people upset. If I do, I don't care, because it's silly to get upset over a computer game. There are people who are upset over real serious things, people who even can't afford buying a computer game... Cheaters help pple discover the real life. If someone doesn't think a game is fun and can't do anything about it, nothing says he should keep playing it. I don't think it's egocentric to cheat, then it would be egocentric to be better than other people too? Esp if better equals "better through cheats", if it's the same effect.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2005, 12:47:26 am »
Its Iraq and yes I have time being that Im getting very short and there is a lull in action prior to the elections and not alot of guys are dying here recent in my neck of the woods if you care in which Im sure you dont.  And my time can be spent as I so choose you just enjoy the blanket I provide including your freedom of speech.   Im not judging you but rather would have you judge yourself.  Think you could tell your family or your wife or your grandparents hey I just pissed off a bunch of people wheee for me?  Yeah ok and I can get killed here in my room lol see this is the real thing and yes I know the diffrence and thats one of the reasons I was a decent ofp player is because I played using alot of the skills you learn in the military.  And because your taking a friend of mines money and time and yes that pisses me off.   So yes I came here and excercised my freedom of speech in which I also provide.  Oh and Its CPL if you care to check with AKO my name is clearly posted above in my email address.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2005, 12:54:40 am »
Mulla I dont think you understand the word egocentric cheating is beacuse its about you its not for anyone but you what are you giving to the people who are not cheating or TKing? Ummmm yeah nothing so yes its about you hence its egocentric.    Hell even the Boss of the site here says TKC is about egocentric gameplay its about the cheater not anyone else lol you may want to re read your own FAQ lol nice try though.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2005, 02:43:23 am »
Alright, but then we also got to say that all playing is egocentric because it's all "about you". I can admit that it's egocentric to not care about other people's fun in a game. Maybe that's bad, I don't know. But I still think they know best themselves what they think is fun. If they don't think it's fun to play with someone they could always switch to another server or do something else.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2005, 02:51:34 am »
Of course its about "you" (the player) Just like when you play the game you play for YOU, your own enjoyment. no one in the world plays a game for someone else's enjoyment.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or ask.. You dont need to come here and ask for our motivation or what gratification there is in cheating, it should be obvious to everyone. I read through all these posts with cheaters trying to justify their actions, and anti-cheaters trying to get answers  and ridicule the cheaters, its just a really stupid cycle of generic responses to each other.

The way I see it you have two options. 1. Deal with it. 2. Stop playing. Anything else is not even worth your time or anyone else's. People are going to do what they want to do at the end of the day. You came here for answers but your questions have such obvious answers I wonder why you bothered.

Its a video game dude, its also a seriously cheap one at that. For the love of god just move on.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2005, 08:51:51 am »
Ok so heres this redundant logic again if you dont like cheaters quit.....  Ummm yeah sure I enjoy the game even if it is a crappy game I played online with people I have never known but we still know eachother and whats going on with eachother so its not really all that random and we also played an online game to play with others much as the same reason you cheat online because cheating whith yourself by yourself wouldnt be much fun cause there is no shock value 2+2=green again.  No I wont quit playing no Im not bored with the game as it stands and this should be my falut somehow in your reasoning that I should quit because its a game and I dont approve of cheating.   Ummm yeah.  And you tell me to move on perhaps I wont perhaps Ill be a TAP the annyoning poster Ill make a clan and we will make annoying posts how clever hehe.  And no thats not my only options to deal or quit.  lol Quite funny that you see my options in black and white and your actions are not black and white.  There are always more than 2 options for anygiven situation.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2005, 09:15:04 am »
I agree but at the same time i dont understand what you want from us? Do you want us to stop releasing ofp cheats and to delete them from this site or do u want us to revert and tell all not to cheat because its so bad its as bad as wearing no helmet while driving a motorcycle?

ok let me guess really, your appealing to our human understanding not to release or use cheats because they fuck up your game which u just want to play. your talking about moral, maybe this comes from the military maybe its just u
We dont want to piss u off as normal player who just wants to play the game. its just a negative effect that may be caused due to use of cheats. there will be allways ppl who want to have it easier who dont want to follow rules. thats just how humans are, not all of them have been in the military and learned and lost their something at the same time.