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Hacking and Art => Vietcong 1 & 2 => Topic started by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 02:01:49 pm

Title: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 02:01:49 pm
Hi TKC community...
i've never been a big fan of cheats but i understand the meaning of it...

What i want to ask is if it's possible to make a hack in ce3 so it cannot be hacked?
It's just that. some people still play vietcong but nobody trusts eachother, and i don't mind if people cheat in public but its just "uncool" to cheat in wars. i've been reading this forum for a couple of hours now and i've came to the conclusion that ce3 is already bypassed. I wonder why it is...
There are so many vc cheats already for public that i don't understand why you should be able to cheat in wars...
I'm a player on esl, been playing for 4 years now, still enjoying vietcong, but i believe if you could help the vc community with ce3, it would become more and more active again...
but i'll just start to ask wether it is possible to make a anti-cheat program like ce3 that prevents getting bypassed.

thx 
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:17:07 pm
you do realise this is a cheat site ?

it would be possible to make an anti cheat for it though that would be difficult to bypass but that is another story.

as for cheat eye yes it has been bypassed , and no do not trust it.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:19:06 pm
yes i know but that's what i mean, can't you make a hack so ce can't be bypassed or at least very very very hard?

thx
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:22:35 pm
Make a "hack" so we cant use the bypass, which we have to hack again..
How easy would it be to bypass something off your own..
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:25:43 pm
well the hack should not go public and can only be for 1 or 2 trustee's.
does that make any sense to you?
I hope it does at least a little bit...

grtzs
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:27:58 pm
No
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:29:38 pm
No

Great, i'm so much closer now...
well have to wait till others respond.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:30:14 pm
No

lol



however

if you knew how easy it was to bypass ce3 you would have doubted it from the beginning , there is a fatal flaw in ce3 that they have overlooked. using old methods for bypassing.

the only way you will be 100% sure of other people is to play the matches on lan and literally look at their screen. sorry but this is the only real way of seeing if someone is cheating or not , no matter what an anti cheat software creator claims there will allways be away around it.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Bierkes on November 02, 2009, 07:30:52 pm
well i was reading all of this... and i know mr medic from teamspeak... as i am in ts with bree and other [IGF] members.

i understand you guys make cheats for the money... and you can sell them to people ofcourse, where they can use it in public...

about the cheat-eye 3 thing.. i heard i was hacked already 10 min after it's release by some bypass...

since the vc community is hacked so bad, most active players stopted playing. there are only a few clans left in the ladder... so indeed i agree with the wooty guy.

i know it's not hard for you guys to make a hack in ce 3 so hradba cheats and cheat-eye 3 bypasses etc can't be used anymore... i don't mind if players are cheating in public. but for wars i like to keep them clean...

ce3 was hacked in 10 minutes, so i guess i would not take a long time for you guys to find something for it that cheats and bypasses can't be used anymore... so can you guys fix that if it is not to much trouble? if you don't wanna do it for me or for the active vc players that are left, do it for Bree;)
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:32:35 pm
there is a very very easy way to stop 99% of the hacks , but ce3 creators must figure it out for themselves. i say 99% there will allways be the 1% you dont think of.

it really is simple :D
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:33:30 pm
Someone is blackmailing haha!

No

Great, i'm so much closer now...
well have to wait till others respond.

You just asked if it made any sense.. I don't see the purpose, so I was just being honest..
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:34:47 pm
im serious hoax it would be very easy to stop most of the hacks.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:35:58 pm
there is a very very easy way to stop 99% of the hacks , but ce3 creators must figure it out for themselves. i say 99% there will allways be the 1% you dont think of.

it really is simple :D

Can't you help us with that?

We can't give you much more then a "thank you very much" though...

grtzs
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Bierkes on November 02, 2009, 07:36:17 pm
haha not blackmailing, just using my odds;)

y well mr medic that easy 99% that can stop it, is sure not familiar with vc players or the ce3 makers otherwise this prob would already been solved
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:37:17 pm
im serious hoax it would be very easy to stop most of the hacks.

I know you are, and that wasn't my point.. Think again..

haha not blackmailing, just using my odds;)

Zou ik ook zeggen..
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:38:09 pm
haha not blackmailing, just using my odds;)

y well mr medic that easy 99% that can stop it, is sure not familiar with vc players or the ce3 makers otherwise this prob would already been solved

i do not understand what you tryed to say bierkes

>>> y well mr medic that easy 99% that can stop <<< ... makes no sense at all
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:40:13 pm
Someone is blackmailing haha!

No

Great, i'm so much closer now...
well have to wait till others respond.

You just asked if it made any sense.. I don't see the purpose, so I was just being honest..

So why don't you see the purpose, because there is always that 1%. but surely it would help cause now as i read MrMedic's reaction its problably 10% and 90 %
I think i see a purpose here ...

grtzs
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Bierkes on November 02, 2009, 07:42:04 pm
haha not blackmailing, just using my odds;)

Zou ik ook zeggen..
[/quote]

uiteraard... it's not that much work for you guys, since you are experts in hacking and cheats... +- 15 min and it's solved is my guess...
you still can make money of the public cheats and stuff... and you got your money of the bypasses etc.... if vc die, you will loose those customers aswell.... so what about making a hack so cheats and bypasses can't be used anymore.. and another month or 2 later you can start making hacks for it again.. think smart;) atleast we can play clean for a while so we can see who the real skillers are. and who not
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:42:25 pm
Alright, you do, I don't..
You still don't see my point do you?
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:43:59 pm
lol i love the die hard fans ...

seeing as the game is so old on this one occasion

maybe .. just maybe i.l tell ce 3 how to stop 99% of hacks for it .. if they ask really really nicely .
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:44:45 pm
lol i love the die hard fans ...

at the end they will always lose the war.. la la la 
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 07:44:49 pm
Alright, you do, I don't..
You still don't see my point do you?

No i don't.
So ...
Explain please?...
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Bierkes on November 02, 2009, 07:46:24 pm
lol i love the die hard fans ...

seeing as the game is so old on this one occasion

maybe .. just maybe i.l tell ce 3 how to stop 99% of hacks for it .. if they ask really really nicely .

bree can ask it really nicely;)
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:47:07 pm
Alright, you do, I don't..
You still don't see my point do you?

No i don't.
So ...
Explain please?...

-.-
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:49:16 pm
la laa la laaaa la laa laa laaaa lol hoax good tune that m8 init
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:50:59 pm
back on subject :

if ce 3 creators knew anything at all ( i am serious now ) they obviously do not and that is why it is so easy to bypass.

the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.

god that sounds ironic lol
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:51:11 pm
every time my boss speaks to me i gotta think of that song lol!
time to go home, cya tonightt!
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 02, 2009, 07:51:48 pm
ok m8 you going on ts ? be a good laugh listening to them all beg lol i might actually tell them , it wont stop myne but it will stop everyone elses lol
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 07:52:04 pm
the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.

god that sounds ironic lol

@wooty

Read that, think of my post, and you have your explanation!
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Bierkes on November 02, 2009, 08:47:26 pm
ok m8 you going on ts ? be a good laugh listening to them all beg lol i might actually tell them , it wont stop myne but it will stop everyone elses lol

ok come bree's ts then medic
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 08:51:18 pm
the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.

god that sounds ironic lol

@wooty

Read that, think of my post, and you have your explanation!

well that's what i am asking you.
It isn't so hard is it now?
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 02, 2009, 09:36:25 pm
....i'll just start to ask wether it is possible to make a anti-cheat program like ce3 that prevents getting bypassed.

No.

You can change them and try to make it new/harder but they can all be bypassed...and if they can then they will.


The makers of the game with thier AC system could do NOTHING to keep it's own official server free of TKC cheaters...and no 3rd party AC has done any better.

The only way to insure no cheating is to have everyone in the same room with a official looking at the monitor of every player in a contest.

The most cheat free server for VC was the 64 player Stream Public (the real one not the fake with same name) that the owner had 3-4 of the TKC Mod's acting as admin.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 09:53:08 pm
I know everything can be hacked, but what if only ce3 "creators" and tkc trustee's know how its working, wouldn't it  decrease the number of cheating? I know most cheats are leaks and there are few who can create them good as most don't know how to create a hack/cheat...
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 02, 2009, 09:57:46 pm
As most people in EU in the ladder place bets on this like any other sport...there is money passing hands and thus you can just get it in you head that NO ANTICHEAT WILL EVER WORK either 100% or for very long.
The most used AC systems in the online gamming world take under 5 mins to bypass when they are updated.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 02, 2009, 10:13:10 pm
As most people in EU in the ladder place bets on this like any other sport...there is money passing hands and thus you can just get it in you head that NO ANTICHEAT WILL EVER WORK either 100% or for very long.
The most used AC systems in the online gamming world take under 5 mins to bypass when they are updated.

I know that, but now for vietcong it will be 99%.
It does make it a bit better doesn't it?
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 02, 2009, 10:20:03 pm
Well as this site is for makeing cheats and bypassing anticheat systems...if a "super anticheat" was made I would find the IP and port number of the server and without even installing the game raise all sorts of hell in it...just because I can.
If I was too busy to do so then I would delegate the job to my henchmen.  :wink2
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 02, 2009, 11:04:17 pm
the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.

god that sounds ironic lol

@wooty

Read that, think of my post, and you have your explanation!

well that's what i am asking you.
It isn't so hard is it now?

MrMedics post is my explanation.. sigh!
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: smilfin on November 03, 2009, 03:22:04 am
Mind you guys, you suffer from narcissism:
Making fun of people who still play VC saying it is way too old, but on the other hand though to those who beg for vchook you say you don't have the permission to publish it. Isn't that paradox? Perhaps the developer then has already forgotten what VC is or more probably he's discovered better things in life than ruining the gameplay for others.
Keep up good work! lol... :icon_teehee
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 03, 2009, 04:11:18 am
Who making fun of the players?
VC was the ONLY game I had fun playing on-line for many years even without cheats and many of us in TKC played coop for hours each day/night.

For the most part those of us in TKC who did cheat made damn sure everyone knew it and that they could do nothing to stop us.

As far as posting users content if we don't have permission then that is the way it works here.
The fact that TKC Rainer Stoff has his stuff plastered all over other sites -for years- does not matter.
Rainer gave me some things that I have never shared with ANYONE not even Mini-Z...and because of that he would share with me again knowing my word was good.

Anyhow back to the point for the guys ladder contests.
Good admin are the only real key to "fair" contests and both sides having to provide an in game demo after the match that a team of game hackers...er, Contest Reviewers...can look at if anyone makes a complaint worked for N.A.T.O. ladders.
Fail to provide a game demo when asked and your team lost no matter what the score was,and it stands to reason that both demos will show the same exact thing as that is how that part of the games program works.
That is how TKC helped N.A.T.O. when server owners who ran ladders on it -asked nicely- and they posted that if the "Review Board" could not decide then TKC would look and give it's "expert opinion".
Needless to say both all the "you guys cheated" ended ASAP and TKC was never asked to look at a demo.

We are TKC.
Fear us.

Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 03, 2009, 06:41:03 am
bree is the only admin id trust on vietcong , the rest i would crash , hers is the only server ive ever been on that i didnt crash she is fair , she can have a laugh , and i know who the boss is ... she told me she was and i never argue with women because they are allways right lol
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 03, 2009, 06:53:27 am
People who are both fair and have a sense of humor are the type you want to go the extra mile for both at work and at play.

edit:
The pizza was good and the beer was cold.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 03, 2009, 01:13:23 pm
I agree with all of you, so maybe (if interested from both sides) TKC could work together with VC esl admins as  you explained in your previous post.
But i have some other intel i'll use first and see what it is. If i need some help, i think i can ask it here i suppose?

grtzs
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 03, 2009, 02:14:17 pm
Do not hesitate to ask a question.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: smilfin on November 03, 2009, 03:44:44 pm
Who making fun of the players?

Actually MrMedic (if I'm not mistaken) and another guy did in another thread I read the other day. Find it if in doubt.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: ZOldDude on November 03, 2009, 10:07:34 pm
Oh that.
Pffffft...Medic makes fun of everything and everybody,you should hear him on TS when we are all drinking and cheating on PokerStars.
Quote
Pay no attention to the small man behind the curtain!
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 03, 2009, 10:23:31 pm
Oh that.
Pffffft...Medic makes fun of everything and everybody,you should hear him on TS when we are all drinking and cheating on PokerStars.
Quote
Pay no attention to the small man behind the curtain!

lol m8
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 03, 2009, 11:11:30 pm
Oh that.
Pffffft...Medic makes fun of everything and everybody,you should hear him on TS when we are all drinking and cheating on PokerStars.
Quote
Pay no attention to the small man behind the curtain!

No hard feelings, i know the english twat with the scottish accent who likes to hear eurodance. :-)
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 04, 2009, 12:55:31 pm
Your saying twat on a real funny way..
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: WOOty on November 04, 2009, 03:08:47 pm
Your saying twat on a real funny way..

i am?
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 04, 2009, 05:52:43 pm
....
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 04, 2009, 08:33:33 pm
Yes you wooty.
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 04, 2009, 09:32:20 pm
hoax english is not his first language i don't think he ment it like that ( he's just stupid ) , il ask him on ts later and if he does then the fun begins :) .
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 04, 2009, 09:56:35 pm
if you can finally say a few dutch words in a normal way it would be fun..
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on November 05, 2009, 02:47:47 am
i ... learnt him tonight , i think he got the point :)

and if i ever want to speak dutch il use you as my bitch lol say how hard ... in dutch lolol
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: hoax-ravenheckler on November 05, 2009, 02:17:49 pm
go find tits lol!

i think this topic can be locked
Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: Behemoth on November 09, 2009, 01:50:50 pm
if ce 3 creators knew anything at all ( i am serious now ) they obviously do not and that is why it is so easy to bypass.
dito... and i know more weak ac tool than ce3...
so forget your dreams of a cheat-free game!

the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.
that is the holy truth!
code a good act + never coded a cheat = not  possible

Title: Re: CE3 hack in hack
Post by: MrMedic on December 09, 2009, 05:27:35 pm
if ce 3 creators knew anything at all ( i am serious now ) they obviously do not and that is why it is so easy to bypass.
dito... and i know more weak ac tool than ce3...
so forget your dreams of a cheat-free game!

the only truely good creator of anti cheat would be a cheat creator himself.
that is the holy truth!
code a good act + never coded a cheat = not  possible



+1 absolutley correct..