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Hacking and Art => Vietcong 1 & 2 => Topic started by: Subsky on January 02, 2007, 07:05:53 pm

Title: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 02, 2007, 07:05:53 pm
Yes, I have been accused of infiltrating TKC for the past 6 months... even though most people known 99% of the cheats coming out of the development section lately have been mine anyway...  Reason?  I mentioned developing anti-cheat software to further my own learning.

I won't be around anymore to help the community out; even if TKC developers do come to their damn senses... I'm offended by these stupid, half-baked assumptions and conspiracy theories (ask Z if you'd like to hear a great story)... and have chosen to stay away from here.

Those who need further help can always get it externally- you know where to find me :).

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Micro on January 02, 2007, 07:30:18 pm
LOL!! ur teh new fate subsky.. let a lifetime of bullshit stories begin  :)..fubsky??  :P
i reckon its good ur furthering ur own learning, maybe tkc can further theres tryin to beat you.
guess tkc dev is dead again lolloll. no working cheats and none of their own  :o
goodluck with ya developing, i know i cant wait  8)

ps: lets see how long it takes u to catch up to my karma haha!
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: M. O. on January 02, 2007, 10:21:27 pm
It's a bit more complicated than that. It's not about _mentioning_ anti-cheat. It's about _developing_ anti-cheat and _hiding_ it from the rest of the devs. We don't accuse anyone of anything right now. We suspended his dev account while we do this "investigation".

According to "Guidelines/Rules for Developer?s Access", Rule 2 at http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=2248.0 the dev account of the user who's affilated with any anti-cheat org. has to be revoked. It's no harder than that.

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You are not affiliated with any anti-cheat group or organization. If it comes to light that you are and did not inform us beforehand you will at a minimum have your dev access revoked and receive a temporary ban. A permanent ban may be issued as well. If you wish to be or are already an infiltrator against a community that is hostile towards TKC, that is another matter you may discuss with the admins.

Who's micro?
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: The Omen on January 02, 2007, 10:44:20 pm
Never that this was going to happend!  :shock:
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: n00bly on January 02, 2007, 11:10:29 pm
LOL!! ur teh new fate subsky.. let a lifetime of bullshit stories begin  :)..fubsky??  :P
i reckon its good ur furthering ur own learning, maybe tkc can further theres tryin to beat you.
guess tkc dev is dead again lolloll. no working cheats and none of their own  :o
goodluck with ya developing, i know i cant wait  8)

ps: lets see how long it takes u to catch up to my karma haha!

 Haha sure micro, guess this will be the start of u hassling everyone on ur msn list for hacks again lmao.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 01:13:57 am
guess tkc dev is dead again lolloll.

Development of cheats at TKC has never been dead. Just not alot going on for VC.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 01:23:03 am
That sucks. but rules are rules i guess. I hope it all blows over and you stay.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on January 03, 2007, 01:33:34 am
Subsky....this is the 2nd anti-cheat program you have worked on.
Neither has been for your own "learning" and the only reason you brought it up in public asking for people to try to hack it you stated "report back to me".
Futher you only talked about it in public AFTER it was brought up in a PRIVET ROOM that the public could not read.

You lost access for a rules violation.
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Reason?  I mentioned developing anti-cheat software to further my own learning.
Like I said,you only brought this up in public AFTER the post in the Privet room...you never MENTIONED anything to anyone beforehand.
I allowed you months to "mention" what you had been doing befor making that privet post.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: $3R!N63 on January 03, 2007, 02:29:54 am
I dont understand what has been happening here.
What is happening with subsky?
Is he being the new fate?
was he infiltrating?
people's post dont make any sense to me
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 02:32:12 am
Subsky is developing an anti-cheat program for VC which is going to block all of the current cheats for VC. He didnt tell anyone and it was found out.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 03:29:28 am
I dont understand why someone would make such a cruel program.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on January 03, 2007, 03:45:16 am
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Those who need further help can always get it externally- you know where to find me .

Subsky

And now they will at least be fully aware they are working with an anti-cheat maker.

At least you made the move to bring this out into public view on your own.
The public would have never heard it from me or any of the staff otherwise and it all would have stayed in a privet room.

I had my own sups when the first "server patch" came out a few weeks after you entered the VC Dev section and your not the only one who is leaking things in that room (as per my STICKY in that room)....thus the Mod has stated (and others follow) that no new things have been posted.
 
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I'm offended by these stupid, half-baked assumptions and conspiracy theories

All the post stated was that you were the maker of the past and soon to be used 2nd anti-cheat.
No "assumptions" and no "theories".....just your reaction to a simple statement of facts that you do not contest.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: M. O. on January 03, 2007, 04:18:11 am
This should clear up some confusion: Statement (http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=5581.0)

Infiltrator: "someone who takes up a position surreptitiously for the purpose of espionage".
He broke the forum and dev rules, but that doesn't automatically make him an infiltrator. The situation is rather complex.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: g-spot on January 03, 2007, 04:40:22 am
You guys are blind. Open your eyes.
From all the good hacks I know that are made in this community 99% has been made by Subsky. Even cheats that are not made by Subsky himself, they're nearly all created with his help.
Don't you realize you are suspending your best member? Besides the fact that he has the most knowledge about cheating, he was also a person that always encouraged and motivated other people to keep hacking and to achieve more knowledge. He kept this community 'alive', he's the only active person in this community that you can talk to if you need REAL help.
You should have forgotten about those stupid rules, but no: "the top secret development section has been infiltrated". Pathetic, it sounds like you are talking about the CIA. Remember, it's just a cheat community, not real life. Really, some people obviously take this community way too seriously. These "conspiracy theories and a possibly infiltrations" honestly make me laugh out loud. They're fucking hilarious.

This anti-cheat thing he made that works better than Hradba should say enough about his knowledge about coding, but your response: "oh it's an anti-cheat program, it's infiltration, it's a conspiracy, blahblahblah, we won't be able to play with HIS hacks anymore, let's kick him."
Hope you decide to not suspend him from Dev, but I think it's too late, you have offended him.
Just stupid.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 04:59:59 am
OFP 1.96 was almost always a more active section than VC. I am sure ArmA will be the same once its released everywere.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: M. O. on January 03, 2007, 05:08:08 am
There's quite a lot you don't know. But what you say about Subsky's knowledge is true. Rules got to be equal for everyone. This might be the price for justice, but every cost is worth it. It's impossible to have Anti-Cheaters in a section where cheats are developed. A cheat community can't harbour people who work against it. It's contradictory to our purposes. And hiding that isn't something that actually would favour anyone.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 05:14:10 am
Yep. I was banned when I was a mod on the forums. I got my mod privelages stripped off of me. Did I complain after? Nope, just got on with it. I broke rules and I got banned, which is the case for anyone.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MonkeyAll3n on January 03, 2007, 05:59:43 am
Ok, guys.

I personally like Subsky he is a very helpful person who is willing to help out with peoples coding problems, even if he doesn't particlulary (Excuse Spelling) like the person. Somehow I don't think he ever intended to make an anti-cheat like this and sell it to SCA, he has never been fond of SCA nor anti-cheats systems.

At the start of last week, with Hradba disabled on the AGU server (so they could play custom coop maps without server crashing itself) I decided that the AGU server needed some sort of protecting against possible threats. I thought, hmm what could I do that would give admins more power but still see TKC to be able to develop and use cheats in servers. I came up with an idea to disable the use of the unbanner, but not individual private/public hacks just the unbanner and it wouldn't need any updates and would be hard to edit because it was in .exe format not err .dll, and just have a simple .exe program that you need to run when you want to join the AGU server, if you didn't have it running you would be kicked, because the .exe would have a trainer function (that doesnt alter the game, so basically useless trainer, but still detected) and the host would be running the .exe to so people without it would be kicked.

I am very new to coding, I am 3/4 of the way through my book on "c" and basically didn't know where to start, I had a look around on a few website for fuctions that I could use in the program but most of it was over my head, so I went to the person who I trusted the most in VC, Subsky. He was very helpful he basically wrote out a whole source code and compiled it that would detect the unbanner then close it when detected.
After that Subsky basically started work on his own anti-cheat patch and has been working on it ever since to stop n00b hax0rz.

As I said, I like Subsky he is a cool guy, I don't think TKC should turn our backs on him, and I don't believe for the 4months he has been in the Dev that he intended to make an anti-hacker patch against TKC, if you play in AU servers alot you see the amount of bs nubz running around, my guess is he got sick of that.

I really don't know what TKC should/shouldn't do regarding his Dev or any of that, but so far Subsky has been on the top of my list as far as trust goes.

If the patch is released I will try and get past it (bypass it) and I will tell Subsky that I have bypassed it but I won't tell him what I did to bypass it.

Err thats just my opinion though, oh and a "generic trainer detecter" would disable the use of Dev cheats, thats about the only thing I disagree with about it.

Peace.
Apple.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MonkeyAll3n on January 03, 2007, 06:01:51 am
Hmm,

People think he has been infiltrating, people think he has been keeping this from everyone but, he hasn't I have known ever since the start of last week that he is making it and so did all of <SCA> and AU VC players, no secret! If you asked him not to detect private Dev cheats chances are he will of made sure they won't be detected.

But now, I am not sure I mean people are turning against him saying, rules are rules, it may be a rule but I believe it comes down to trust, moral. Have we been able to trust him for the time he has been at TKC? YES! Has he made excellent cheats? YES! Has he helped alot of people learn the finer techniques of hacking games? YES! Is he trying to clean up the current gaming in AU? YES!

I am really amazed at what I am seeing here, rules are rules :S WTF!

Well I don't care what the majority thinks, I KNOW he isnt an infiltrator and I KNOW he isn't just gonna stab TKC in the back.

I was neutral at the start of this, but after seeing these posts I am definitely on his side, and I am sure others will be too.

I can't believe you guys  .

Way more Peace!
Apple.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MonkeyAll3n on January 03, 2007, 06:10:30 am
These 3 posts are out of order but the public part of VC TKC should be able to see the posts in that private part of the forum.

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Basicly he just re-did old cheats AND posted alot of them in public to become popular. No big deal if he was going to be makeing a anti-cheat program.
Fate did that also.

No disrespect Z and no offense either but I disagree with this part of your statement, I believe basically all of Subsky's cheats have been original like his:
-Float/Shoot through walls
-VC Flag Teleporter (Also store your own coordinates)
-HUD Forcer
-TeleportThemPlz
-Player Teleporter
and the list goes on.

^ I have never seen anything like these before apart from the flag teleport which was made by Crossmol and a few others (I think)

I feel your post insults all of his hard work and effort he put in to making these cheats. He has been thoroughly active within the community for for he past 4month (or more, Idont know) whilst attending University and being a Dj (I think), he has found time from these activities to build cheats for the community and help out its members. I don't think he had intended to make this patch until last week. He has done alot for the community and this is how we repay him? Come on guys this is Subsky, yesterday he was a respected hacker/member of TKC now he is nothing but a dirty infiltrating anti-cheater?

Well I think not, I trust him If he says he won't patch private/Dev cheats. I can't believe some of the posts I am seeing in this topic, I mean seriously all this has happened in less than a day, he was loved one day and disowned the next? WTF! Time to think morally for a moment, has he ever broken a promise to TKC member? Has he ever abused someones trust in the past?

Come on! Lets give him a chance, tell him what we want and then we can compromize (Excuse spelling), I am sure he won't betray us. He's not like that.

Seriously guys these sorts of posts worry me a bit, when a member has been so loyal and then decides to do something a little different and gets instantly disowned/frowned apon by other members.

More Peace.
Apple.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 03, 2007, 06:32:47 am
and your not the only one who is leaking things in that room (as per my STICKY in that room)....thus the Mod has stated (and others follow) that no new things have been posted.

Excuse my language...

You're an absolute fkn'ing joke Z!  The only stuff coming OUT OF THAT DAMN SECTION IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WAS MY SHIT ANYWAY!  If it wasn't my directly, I helped the developer make it (don't believe me?  Check everyone single one of the new hacks credits!).

It's not enough that you insult all my hard work- calling it unoriginal, that's all "ripped off" from somewhere else, that I only released it to "gain" popularity... but you have to go the extra mile and call me a 6 month TKC infiltrator.

It's so incredible that I'm hearing this from you Z- as you have contributed absolutely absolutely 0 during my time here?  All YOU'VE done is clutter up the forums with useless sticky's like links to the next generation nuclear power plants.  I've actually taken to the time to sit down and help people out- written tutorials, articles- released many, many hacks on the forums.  You don't need to believe me; people who I've helped will back me up on this one.  Karma ratings DO NOT LIE.

Almost every single thing you have said is a load of crap and everyone else who ACTUALLY knows me well here KNOWS it aswell.   I don't have any respect for you Z, you and your stories can go to hell.

Take a look around- it looks like you've lost a few points in this debate, mate.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 06:36:26 am
Sounds like one of the posts that got me banned  :P

Also, saying karma ratings dont lie is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Joke or not.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 03, 2007, 06:49:45 am
Sounds like one of the posts that got me banned  :P

I honestly don't care... most of the community I have been involved will be totally against him/it- and it'll just go to show how a nazi admin can reign control over anyone they don't personally like...

I respect MO completely, and people should all listen to what he says.  He is right in saying the situation was originally a little complex... after hearing his reasoning... I was actually okay with being locked out of the development section whilst I wrote the anti-cheat. 

What frustrate me no end is all the shit Z has said... almost everything is un-true.  I had nothing to do with the so called "1st" anti-cheat.  Do your homework, idiot.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 06:54:48 am
I can see what everyone is saying and all there point of views.
      on subsky's side, he is a great coder and he releases a lot, and he should of been trusted more and not have dev account disabled.
But on the other hand, being a great person and a model cheater doesn't exempt you from the rules. Its just in real life, if you run 100 different charities and give all your stuff to help people out and then you commit a crime, your still doing time. I think it was a great move on TKC's part to suspend him, its saying were all equal and just because the person is famous, doesn't give them the right to be above the law (unless your in Hollywood)
This is only my opinion so don't rip on me by saying Im new here and i don't know him that well, thats true i don't. But i DO understand the rules, and i DO understand how much he has helped the community and thats enough to form an opinion.

Well Subsky i don't want you to take me the wrong way, i respect the work you have done. Its just that if there is evidence agenst you and they let you walk, i don't think this is a community i want to be part of. We are all the same here, If i was working on an anti-cheat program i would of been banned hard core. (I'm not so don't worry)
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 03, 2007, 07:04:43 am
I said I never really did mind being suspended from dev, Symantec... it's not a loss for me anyway...

The problem is, there is no evidence.  ZOldDude's claims are based on his own personal assumptions... When Fate was caught infiltrating- there was a million and one posts everywhere saying "send links to hacks plz", and he didn't contribute anything.  There were logs that showed he was doing suspcious things... you won't find any "proof" against me- unless it's falsified evidence. 

Like I said- I respect MO and HIS decision to keep me out of dev... I have no problems with it... but Z can go shove it.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 07:17:51 am
I think he would rather be safe than sorry, if you had evidence to prove you are safe, then that may be good. Well, good luck.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 03, 2007, 07:20:07 am
Sounds like one of the posts that got me banned  :P

I honestly don't care... most of the community I have been involved will be totally against him/it- and it'll just go to show how a nazi admin can reign control over anyone they don't personally like...

I dont mean it like that. I mean, you sound alot like I did before.


On the subject. I think the program should be developed, but a solution to bypass it should be posted in the dev section. This way the ones who want a challenge can do it themselves, and the others can just look at the solution and do it easy.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Micro on January 03, 2007, 07:41:28 am
 Haha sure micro, guess this will be the start of u hassling everyone on ur msn list for hacks again lmao.
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LOL hassling people for hacks? i actually beat subskys version 1 of his anticheat
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Frank P. on January 03, 2007, 12:32:12 pm
G I totally agree with you but one thing. Hes making the anti cheat program so if he still has access to dev he can get those cheats and make them detectable. He is not forcing anyone to use his anti cheat program but the SCA server and probably RAR server will have it on. Hes making this anti cheat system for those that want a fair game (afaik). I for one am neutral to this situation as one part of me condemns what his doing but the other part praises him. Now if he put up the codes for his anti cheat program would be very stupid unless it wasnt actually meant to be put on a server. Whats the point of making a beautiful working anti cheat system if your not even going to use it.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on January 03, 2007, 02:38:40 pm
Subsky...
I did not kick you out of the VC Dev section....you got yourself kicked out.

I posted my opinions pro and con it that privet section....you started this public "movie of the week".

If there is anything about what happened OR what the public thinks about you it is all becuase of your own actions and nobody else had anything to do with it.

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The problem is, there is no evidence.

In case you forgot what it is you did or if the public is wondering they can go and read about it in your own words.
Some of the links are in this post:

http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=5581.0

Personaly I can't understand how you can do these things and then put on an act like your sooooooo upset that I told you "I don't trust you"...becuase you blew that trust with your own actions.



Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 02:51:33 pm
Yeah it was subsky that brought it public.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MonkeyAll3n on January 03, 2007, 03:01:52 pm
I don't quite understand this, if he told everyone eg. <SCA> AU VC and AU TKC, how can he be hiding anything at all?

He didn't make the first one (Please someone have a nosy round, I am sure you will find out who did), and I believe he only started making it last week after working on a patch I was trying to make.

Members are posting stuff (That they honestly believe themselves), that quite frankly is bullshit. Please do some actual research into the patch apart from reading the <SCA> forums to gain an idea of whether:

A. He has been planning this patch throughout his time at [TKC]
B. He made the first patch
C. He will individually patch all private hacks in the Dev section
D. He is not trust-worthy anymore

I think that some members are making complete fools out of themselves by saying some of this stuff, and when the truth is finally revealed with ACTUAL proof they will hopefully retract their statements and personally apologize to Subsky.

People are letting their imagination get in the way of reality.

So please, think this out properly, be neutral have a look at it all. You will soon see some of the stuff admins/members have claimed Susbky did/does is wrong and utterly ridiculous.

Apple.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 03, 2007, 03:09:19 pm
A. We dont know how long he has been planning it, or what his intentions were with it
B. Its not really up to us
C. There is proof that mullah omar posted
D. He should of told us at the beginning when he first had the idea of doing it, and saying that tkc's stuff wont be effected.

Im done with this, im just going to butt out, this isent for us to decide, and talking about it alot will just prolong it and make it worse.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Micro on January 03, 2007, 03:11:15 pm
He didn't make the first one (Please someone have a nosy round, I am sure you will find out who did), and I believe he only started making it last week after working on a patch I was trying to make.

i know who made the 1st 1 :lol:.. but wats the use of posting who... its my word against thiers... all anyone needs to know now is that it wasnt subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on January 03, 2007, 03:29:34 pm
Well I have two anti cheat programs...both made by Subsky.
I also sent copys of them to the TKC staff.

I have the one that Kaos sent me on MSN and I have a copy of the other/newer client file dll's that is his most currant project.


Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 03, 2007, 04:35:13 pm
It's quite hularious reading that "Official statement on former VC dev Subsky".

The truth is- I actually came up with the idea to develop an anti-cheat about 4 days ago- and having retired from VC development, and not visiting TKC that frequently, I really didn't even think to mention it here.  You idiots, if I was trying to hide it; why the fuck would I use my Subsky name on every damn post in SCA linking to anti-cheat- right there in plain view... My god this place is filled with some real fucking idiots.  

My project nor identity wasn't hidden at all, and when confronted, I openly admitted it straight away, and instantly told everyone in dev what my intentions were (hardly a delay on the public forums either).  And no Z- I did not have anything to do with first Anti-cheat, if you had done your own homework buddy; you'd know who was behind it- instead of blindly pointing your finger at me.  Seems YOU have been left out of the loop buddy, as quite a few people, TKC and non TKC alike- know who was REALLY behind its development.

It was never some big conspiracy thing, so major lol AT Z.  I came up with the idea of developing an anti-cheat less than a week ago- and had no problems with being locked out of development either (I could understand the reasoning)... Sure, I did say it would only detect vchook, my own trainers + some other frustrating public ones... but it's holidays- I have a lot of time, and I wanted something more challenging.  Since that post a day or so ago- I have changed a few algorithms and have upgraded the detection mechanism to detect generic trainers etc...  Contrary to what some believe, my world does NOT revolve around TKC and I DO NOT have to log everything I do in my life back here.

I have more important/interesting things to do than quote a million and one things here and there to try to prove what really went down.  I don't care if you don't believe me, I know what my intentions are- so do my closer friends on TKC... I'm quite happy for people to feed of that shit that has been posted in the "official statement".

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: K@O$ on January 03, 2007, 07:35:14 pm
DeToX
(http://www.scassassins.com/K@O$/Images/DeToX%20-%20AntiHack.gif)

I read a lot of things said here that are half truths and seem to place a lot of emphasis on discrediting people or to make themselves look important.

The first release attempt of Antihack was NOT made by Subsky.

Subsky has never discussed or provided us with any internal operations of TKC (we normally find out by word of mouth)

I can remember a brief conversation between myself and Subsky (months ago) that the work he does is not appreciated by the cheat community in general (outside of TKC). These players only goal is to obtain the efforts you have done so they can disrupt servers, a classic example of this was the server crasher?which TKC are totally against.

I asked Subsky to use his talents to create a better detection system that would be appreciated by the ?honest player? of the game and to keep this game we play ?alive?. It was brief and didn?t think anymore of this conversation, as the taunts between Subsky and <SCA> continued.

Recently (1 week ago), Subsky indicated that he has developed a detection system that will improve the games playability standards. Everyone at <SCA> was sceptical about Subskys agenda and we decided to listen but not yet go ahead with this until we could trust him.

One question we asked him was why?: Simply put?he just wanted to get back into the game again hack free and enjoy (have fun) playing this FPS game that to date has outlasted itself. To do this he needed to prove that he could assist and improve the game and DeToX was offered. Subsky wanted to get his respect back, as he has lost some good team mates over the past year and this is a way to move in the right direction for him.

It is still a slow drawn out process for us and we are still asking plenty of questions in private to Subsky. It has been a problem for most servers in AU as the cheats were in the end being used more to shut down servers rather than to improve the games image. I can respect the work and talent that goes into making these programs?but in the wrong hands and given to immature players (leaked) which their only goal was revenge, it became so disruptive it just about closed VC in AU.

I?d like to finally say?it?s a game guys. We sit on one side and you on the other side of the fence. Occasional we bump shoulders in the servers but you must understand that if it is your objectives to create programs, please don?t do it to destroy a game. Alot of time and effort goes into this and the running of web sites, I would respect you guys a lot more if you can respect that we don?t tolerate cheating in our servers, if you get caught then its our policy to ban and you should accept it (all players)?don?t complain about it (or even worst seek revenge).

Its time for our server admins to have a break and get back to playing instead of policing.

Server owners wishing to trial DeToX should contact our forum at www.scassassins.com (K@O$)

 (http://www.scassassins.com/K@O$/Images/DeToX%20-%20AntiHack.gif)
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: M. O. on January 03, 2007, 08:21:26 pm
I believe most of what you say Subsky. I think all of the 75% of the staff-members who voted for you last week also do. You're no infiltrator. But saying that we are idiots just because we think you hid info we believe was important, isn't completely fair. You say you had no intention of reporting your project to the rest of the folks here. Even though your intentions might have been the purest of pure, posting that kind of information at an obscure forum still must be counted as hiding information. Even though it wasn't done on purpose. Nothing says that devs got to sell their souls to the community while being active here, but it's common sense (?) that people who work in a team know what other people do projectwise. If people work on the same things or if they work against eachother. That's some benefits of a development section. That's also why we use them.

The "official statement" is just a summary of the topics in the dev section, some of your posts here, plus the posts at <SCA>.

I wish you good luck with the anti-cheat tool. We're going to beat it, but we won't tell how ;)
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Predator on January 03, 2007, 08:46:34 pm
all i say to subsky is   GJ M8 keep it up.   he created alot of cheats none of us could do. now he helping the game out.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 03, 2007, 10:43:20 pm
Sure, idiots might have been a little too strong a word- but then, you said I "hid" my work... it wasn't hidden at all- anyone who knows what goes on in AU VC wouldn't even need to look for it.  If I wanted to hide my work, I wouldn't have talked about anti-cheat and attached the signature "Subsky" to the bottom of every related public post right there in plain sight for detective Z to see.

As I've said many times before- I don't really mind being locked out of private sections.  I'm here to learn new things, not to play power politics, loose myself in an endless pit of rules, or get involved in any kind of democracy.

I still encourage TKC to break this Anti-cheat when it is released, and it's fine if those choose not to tell me HOW they did it... but it would be nice to hear of those who have...

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: $3R!N63 on January 04, 2007, 03:39:15 am
It wouldnt make much of a difference for you anyway Subsky like you said some time ago that all the cheats coming out in dev were yours or people you had helped make.

Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Oynky on January 04, 2007, 02:27:49 pm
I really dont care about this stuff but i just tell everyone my point of view...
Stick with the rules...
Shure great someone makes aload of hacks, tuts and helps ppl.
But does that mean u can just ignore the rules?
If someone makes an anti cheat and he is in an place where ppl might develop new ones.. I think thats wrong.

I hope you guys find a way to slolve this so called ''problem''.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Crossmol on January 04, 2007, 03:29:00 pm
I still encourage TKC to break this Anti-cheat when it is released, and it's fine if those choose not to tell me HOW they did it... but it would be nice to hear of those who have...

I'm glad we cleared that issue up. Maybe a fraps movie would be somekind of proof that it is hackable. Not that we need to proof anything but just to let the public and the developer(s) know that it's hackable.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Symantic on January 04, 2007, 04:19:00 pm
they have to implement the new system first, then it needs to be broken.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]thejoker on January 04, 2007, 04:20:37 pm
I still stick by my first solution. I believe apple agrees with me also. If he makes it ans posts a solution on how to bypass it then there arent any problems. Its kind of dumb to remove the main cheat maker.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Crossmol on January 04, 2007, 06:03:49 pm
Server owners wishing to trial DeToX should contact our forum at www.scassassins.com (K@O$)

Is the SCA server running DeToX now?
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Crossmol on January 04, 2007, 11:09:53 pm
Tip of the iceberg  :D

(http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2273/screeniept7.th.png) (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screeniept7.png)

All anti-cheats can be hacked, we all know that. The new anti-cheat will prefent the leechers from cheating, we all know that too. I managed to bypass some but how I did it remains a secret. I will make a fraps movie when more servers are running the new anticheat.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: $3R!N63 on January 05, 2007, 12:40:21 am
haha i don't mind that picture but your desktop looks nice ;)

Battlefield, Battlefield 2, Battlefield Vietnam, Battlefield 2142 lol
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: $3R!N63 on January 05, 2007, 12:49:27 am
I still stick by my first solution. I believe apple agrees with me also. If he makes it ans posts a solution on how to bypass it then there arent any problems. Its kind of dumb to remove the main cheat maker.
Yeah man im with ya too Subsky was a great guy even if he didn't like me or trust me it wouldn't change my view.

Thank you for all your work Subsky And good luck on DeToX

Thanks
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Frank P. on January 05, 2007, 04:02:42 am
Whats the point of making an ANTI cheat system and then putting it on a website so it can be hacked?  If you spend hours on it then whats the point of getting rid of it in the minute it takes to post it?(retorical  questions).
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: n00bly on January 05, 2007, 09:09:31 am
Its funny alot of you specially people with dev access may have noted there is no 1.6 hradba beating information in there before me and subsky (2 very different ways) chose to post how to do beat or get around it. Any information he would have wanted i would have told him as i dont have any respect for the lame arsed game its SHITHOUSE. But seriously not alot of people would be even cheating right now if it wasnt for my simplistic lame mans ways to bypass hradba and subskys tutes. Almost every cheat created has been based on one of our methods which all seem to forget.

And who cares the game is LAME and old get a new game ffs and get me a copy of crysis.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 05, 2007, 03:09:02 pm
I managed to bypass some but how I did it remains a secret.

Well done, Cross.  Micro was the first the beat it by simply putting the cbf file in the maps folder.

That version you have is very old and wasn't ever suppose to be released to anyone but a few sca members to show how it would work interface-wise.

The current version does not employ such primitive detection... it should be done by tonight and I will make it avail asap.

The newer version does not even touch remote files... ftps an the like.  In this version, almost everything is not "hard-coded" into the program, making it even smarter.  I imagine it will take a while, to break.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Crossmol on January 05, 2007, 03:49:48 pm
I'm willing to give it a try m8, pass me a download link when it's finished.
I took a quick peek at the new one as well (I think it's the new one that is). Don't ask me where I got it. It seems that my guy is eager to have this one cracked as well  :wink:
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Rav3n on January 06, 2007, 06:14:53 pm
Subsky i like you m8 but making an anti cheat to block other peoples work that you were trusted with is a bit low.

yes noobly, you and subsky helped the community a lot but you didn't physically sit and make the hacks with the members. They put hours in to making hacks and came to you for advice and suggestions i bet a lot gave you the hacks to try out like myself..

I can however understand the fact that the Aussie community got fed up with hackers "ruining" their games and you furthering your career/learning... (im not excusing it)

In a positive way you have set a challenge and everyone should jump to it but DONT i repeat DONT post your new hacks in this forum if your gonna share ideas i suggest MSN ICQ TS i look forward to bvpassing your anticheat and laughing at you  :D
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MrMedic on January 08, 2007, 05:51:49 pm
looks like i will have to reinstall vc again i never pass on a challenge :)
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: n00bly on January 10, 2007, 02:06:04 pm
Subsky i like you m8 but making an anti cheat to block other peoples work that you were trusted with is a bit low.

yes noobly, you and subsky helped the community a lot but you didn't physically sit and make the hacks with the members. They put hours in to making hacks and came to you for advice and suggestions i bet a lot gave you the hacks to try out like myself..

I can however understand the fact that the Aussie community got fed up with hackers "ruining" their games and you furthering your career/learning... (im not excusing it)

In a positive way you have set a challenge and everyone should jump to it but DONT i repeat DONT post your new hacks in this forum if your gonna share ideas i suggest MSN ICQ TS i look forward to bvpassing your anticheat and laughing at you  :D

Hmm actually alot of people i did sit and help to learn, also alot of time spent to beat it then write stupid tutorials so others could make them also we both helped people who wanted to know how to do it so WTF! even u raven were helped.
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Subsky on January 10, 2007, 04:48:19 pm
In a positive way you have set a challenge and everyone should jump to it but DONT i repeat DONT post your new hacks in this forum if your gonna share ideas i suggest MSN ICQ TS i look forward to bvpassing your anticheat and laughing at you  :D

I wouldn't bother with all the top secret privacy channels, they're unnecessary.

DeToX blocks ALL trainers from working- by randomising several key parts of the target process.  This approach makes it difficult; if not, near impossible to write any trainer that works reliably.  Any trainers made via auto-gen programs like TMK etc no longer work.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Mr.Angel on January 10, 2007, 04:51:23 pm
very nice . 1 up for detox lol hehehe
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: MonkeyAll3n on January 10, 2007, 05:03:30 pm
OH NOES
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Wolfie on January 12, 2007, 03:25:12 pm
hi, i play whit 3rd person view from lazypig, i love it liek my bro omen does!

can i stil play whit 3rd person view whit this antichat program?  :)


Wolfie
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: b00n on January 12, 2007, 04:14:41 pm
hi, i play whit 3rd person view from lazypig, i love it liek my bro omen does!

can i stil play whit 3rd person view whit this antichat program?  :)


Wolfie

test it out
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: Wolfie on January 12, 2007, 04:17:43 pm
Thanks



Wolfie
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]phranz on January 12, 2007, 04:51:55 pm
DeToX blocks ALL trainers from working- by randomising several key parts of the target process.  This approach makes it difficult; if not, near impossible to write any trainer that works reliably.  Any trainers made via auto-gen programs like TMK etc no longer work.

Subsky
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on February 05, 2007, 03:29:25 pm
This is the official word to all anteaters or those who support them.
If you don't agree with how TKC runs it's site and are unhappy with it it is not our fault.
Find someplace you can be happy as a troll/anti-cheater.
http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=4027.0
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on April 16, 2007, 03:14:22 am
[...]

I won't be around anymore to help the community out; even if TKC developers do come to their damn senses... I'm offended by these stupid, half-baked assumptions and conspiracy theories (ask Z if you'd like to hear a great story)... and have chosen to stay away from here.

[...]

Subsky
why does he still come here on a daily basis?
Title: Re: Subsky accused of infiltrating TKC?!
Post by: ZOldDude on April 16, 2007, 03:38:22 am
Just to see if we unlock his address'.
He got himself locked out of all the sites that sale cheats also for being caught in the act trying to hack his way in.
Idiot.