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Hacking and Art => Armed Assault 3 => Operation Flashpoint => Topic started by: SOG on October 06, 2005, 09:12:05 pm

Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 06, 2005, 09:12:05 pm
Whats so fun about making cheats?  Just wondering cause I dont understand what the pay off is so to speak generaly people do things for a reason and that reason being gratification of self or another.  Cheating gratifies you how?  This almost seems as vain as me posting this because Im sure Ill be called names and told that Im a child or some sort of clever remark.  I used to play with RN and 88th in ofp currently Im in Iraq and I was really out of the loop I remember the Ryst ammo trainer and yeah that was fun for me and a buddie on his server playing who can launch the jeep the farthest but I dont understand that desire to do it in a  game to win? or to be funny?  Ok now I admit Im a real layman when it comes to code and this and that I have no idea what Im doing I play for the enjoyment and to kill time if I have any.  But it seems to me sitting around and spending that kind of time to find a way to make bombs fall from the sky in a digital world seems like a waste..... Ok whe you do this type of thing the next action taken by the other people online is usually rage that the game got "ruined" well yes it did they wanted to do something together and yes sure they dont really know eachother and they are just digital names on a screen but they came there to play the "Advertised game" and you came to do what?  Drop bombs and piss of people who wanted something else is this a sort of meglomaniac complex no controll in the real world so must have controll over something, albeit a digital world but still you feel as if you have a controll over fate?   I realizie people do all kinds of weird shi* ( I dont know if I can cuss on here my nature is not very senstive comes with the job I guess)  for self gratification and I cannot belive that this cheating is gratifying to anyone but the person doing it.   Im trying to figure this out in my head Im not sure what or how you cheat or make things fall from the sky and such but you do it then people get pissed then you sit there and cakle in impotent rage? I mean comon theres alot more to that in life fellas if thats the high point you need to get out more often lol.

This almost seems like a hack of sorts is that what you consider yourself a hacker?   There are some pretty smart litterate people posting in here Ive read what they have said and they seem intelegent but I still cant imagine why would you choose cheating as a hobby and like in most situations like this you usually find a few smart guys and a bunch of clingons hanging on to the brains of the people who come up with the ideas and have the know how to implement their ideas.  So feed the ignorant with your work I suppose and they will call you gods and pump up your own egos lol I really am getting to think this is about ego and not what you claim it to be "fun" lol  It almost seems like a pecker measuring contest mines bigger than yours my cheats are better than your anti cheat server lol.  Ok wow well thats got to be  fullfilling.  

Well I look forward to seeing the replies in here lol Im sure they will be pretty off the wall.

And yes thats my real online gaming name and you can reach me at lamar.wilson1@us.army.mil   keep it civil cause I assure you thats not a private server or what ever just being friendly and letting you know ahead of time.  lol thats kinda funny aint it cause I see like 500 people are here registered probably over that and how many of them use their game name why have a id changer?  I guess its because of my real life that I take it over to this digital world too I dont hide I dont change my looks or ip id I refuse to part of that honor thing with soilders I guess.

Oh and another big question if you want to cheat and you enjoy it so much and the thrill is out cheating or out hacking as one person put it why not make your own cheat server for ofp and cheat till your little hearts content heckle eachother and have a competion and be proud of it I mean use that name only that name with an XML I mean if thats what this is about the creation of cheats and other things to keep the game going make your own server and extend the game that way then perhaps you could save the ofp community having a cheat freindly server hell I dont know I dont play to cheat I play for fun fair game play but perhaps some of you do find that fun buy your own server and you can cheat there and bring in all the cheaters of the world together you can cheat and win against cheaters unitied and now Im being sarcastic lol..... Hell its just an idea that and the more I think about the id changer the more I think it sounds like cowardace to cheat and hide if your proud of it as some of you claim to be why hide?  Changing names and ID's?  Cause your gonna get banned so what I mean why should you care were just digital anyway and you can set up the cheat server and never get banned for cheating again Id really like to see how that place fills up cheaters playing against cheaters and knowing it kinda would take the fun out of cheating huh?  Why dont you give it a try comeon good times cheats no bans all that fun in one little spot makes you kinda squishy in the shorts dont it?  lol there I go with the sarcasam again.   Oh and another thing dont you ever worry about you know reprecussions?  I mean thats why alot of people dont cheat I mean even in daily life you dont cheat on your wife cause she may get a shotgun and cut you in half so you divorce before you find a new girlfriend.  You dont cheat in school cause if your caught you flunked.   So how is cheating here any diffrent except you can hide and the punishment is a ban and perhaps a ban on people who didnt deserve it due to a wide IP ban?  Well isnt that clever I just messed with someone who didnt mess with me wow good times.
Title: Question
Post by: M. O. on October 06, 2005, 09:45:32 pm
Cheating is much more fun, that's why. Check the TK FAQ by TheHeckler! and you'll have an answer for all your questions ;)

I also edited your email, added _at_ instead of @.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 06, 2005, 10:03:20 pm
--------------------------The Creed of TKC--------------------------

Mission Statement

We at TKC are members of a gaming community dedicated to the advancement of online cheating, teamkilling, and other forms of unconventional gameplay; better known as "Heckling". Our primary goal is to develop and teach methods of prolonging the gaming experience through these means. TKC also aims to publicly legitimize all styles of heckling; that despite arguments of cynicism, this method of play can be quite enjoyable and worthwhile for a significant and ever increasing number of players.

Gaming Philosophy

Games, above all else must be fun for the player. ?Player? referencing the individual who is playing the game, not the gaming community as a whole. When a game has lost its entertainment value, there ceases to be a purpose to play. Players have the right to due whatever is necessary to perpetuate or resurrect enjoyment in a game for as long as desired, and this right need not be sacrificed for the enjoyment of fellow players.

Cheating Philosophy

As with real life, there are many different types of people present in online gaming, with many different tastes. Some are content with a game as it was intended for play by the developers, while others are not. We do not agree with the notion that if one is not satisfied with a game the way it was developed, that a player should look for another game to play. When a game does not meet one?s expectations, or has lost its former appeal, the use of game modification techniques is encouraged to create a better gameplay experience for the player. This same belief applies to unintended coding vulnerabilities as well.

Player vs. Community Philosophy

As mentioned above, an individual player's right to enjoy a game is absolute in our eyes and does not need to be compromised for the enjoyment of others. This belief extends from two facts. One, players do not know personally the people with whom they play with; they are complete strangers meeting online for entertainment. And two, no matter what a player does to others during a match and no matter how they react; at the end of the day it?s still only a game. The belief that one must ?show respect? to their fellow players is not shared in this community. Respect is something that must be earned through time, not automatically given to strangers in an online game.


Are you refering to this bit of retoric here?  And cheating is fun is not an answer to my question what is the gratifacation from cheating?  I know why I played OFP becuause I enjoyed playing with my friends online talking a little bad mouthing here and there on TS but all in all a group working to a common goal and even if it was a  death match and we were not working together but as individual players we still had a good time playing by the "rules" but I still wonder what is the gratifcation of cheating?
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 06, 2005, 11:04:30 pm
Basicly I see cheating is fun cause you get to piss people off and you like a reaction.


He calles it outdated game play hmmmm I dont think

Or is it you who is allowing your fun to be ruined? How another player chooses to go about enjoying his or her copy of a game shouldn?t matter to someone who is a down to earth individual. In terms of cheats, if someone happens to be using an aimbot or wallhack so what? Continue playing the way you usually do, it isn?t as if your player?s character has been crippled in anyway so it should be immaterial to you. Many times players quit having fun in sight of hecklers because they cherish outdated gameplay to that of a holy grail. They don?t need to realize that there are other ways to derive pleasure from gaming than having the highest kill ratio.

Granted, there are exceptions, as heckling also evokes team killing, harassment, and general non-sense. As expected, such acts will cause some players to become irate. Admittedly we have a very egocentric view of online gaming, and this is where our ideologies with others clash. Our detractors insist that there is an unwritten and unified code of ethics to be followed amongst gamers; we do not share this belief. To us, the primary function of a game is enjoyment for the individual player, not to the gaming community as a whole

So Im not an Individual?  I dont like to cheat or play against people who do so by being that Im a what?  An anti-Cheater I suppose so and proud of it too I guess.  See the other thing that gets me is.


Hecklers Are Cowards Hiding Behind Their PC?s

Your understanding of meta physics must be entirely different than ours. The discernment we had is that a human being cannot digitize himself through the cyber world and reappear in your living room to be face to face with you. Seriously though, of course we?re ?behind our PC?s?, this in the Internet, there is no other form of communication that can take place without being in front of a monitor and keyboard. The individuals who make insinuating comments like this don?t seem to realize that they are actually describing their own actions, thereby labeling themselves hypocrites.

They seem oblivious to the fact that they are indeed hiding behind their PC?s; trying to pick a fight with someone they know cannot enact any consequence on them beyond the scope of the online world. Why some believe this is even an issue is baffling; when did these people even get the impression that hecklers were trying to act tough? We are just a segment of players trying to enjoy online gaming; our actions make us no more brave nor cowardly than any other gamer ?hiding behind their PC?. When it comes to such matters, bravery really isn?t an issue one way or another; and even if it were, there is no way to measure ?bravery? in a medium of this nature.


So changing ID's and IP's is just not a form of disguise?  See here we certinaly differ I wont change my IP or ID I wouldnt change out of My DCU's In downtown Mosul after a firefight gone wrong these two things are comparable its hidding your idenity you can claim one is life and one is digital but still yet one is being a coward on the street and one is being a coward online.   2+2=green dont work with me.  And no I dont think your picking a fight with me unless I owned or paid for a server and I told you not to ever be there.  That is comparable to me buying a house and you being in my front yard yelling at me god only knows what distrubing me and what I paid for and that would get you hurt.  So how do you figure this is really all that diffrent didnt someone pay for this game this server this time they are spending online doing what they choose lets.  Yes I belive your taking someones money from them if you are using something they were gracious enough to allow the public to use in a mannner inconsistent with its intent.  For instance if a public water fountian were modified to spray water up out the side and you were caught doing this modification do you think there would be consiquence?  Hmmmmmm strange this seems to come back to I guess your lucky this aint real life lol.   But you dont think that someone someday will say hey your taking my time my money that I spent for an activity of my choosing and doing with it what you will beyond my intent as owner purchaser of this equipment and time?  Kinda comes down to right and wrong again dont it?
Title: Question
Post by: M. O. on October 06, 2005, 11:11:57 pm
Alright it's your choice to keep the @ there. But it's not very wise to do so. Spambots search the net for email addys...

Many people cheat because it's fun, it's just that simple. That's the gratification, fun.

ID changers is a way of extending the fun.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 06, 2005, 11:32:58 pm
Putting an end to games is the exact opposite of our intentions. Instead we aim to revitalize games through introducing new and distinct game play mechanics. Some players may feel that heckling ?ruins? their enjoyment of the game. However, their individual perception of what creates satisfaction is not contingent to the entire gaming community. And just as sure as a video game is not a living being, it of course cannot be ?killed? either. Players who refuse to adapt to new styles of play may find it intolerable to continue playing under these conditions. This is their prerogative however, and does not subtract from the game as a whole


Now that comment is quite contrary to what your doing.

You admit your a small segment correct? getting bigger but not alot of you as a whole.  

So A server admin sees he has to ban a range of IP's so he bans them including perhaps some normal players that wanted to have fun now if he does this enough he looses people who just wanted to play the game as it was intended.  There by limiting the number of online players yet?  2+2 still aint green.  Now there are less players hence the game "dies" Now your new style of play requires that you cheat and Ill let you have that its fun for you go for it hell hitting yourself in the head might be fun too and just about as productive.  


So you make admins lock down the servers sometimes booting people and banning people who dont deserve it this extends the game how?  Yeah getting rid of the majority will extend the games life ok and 5+5 is green now too.

I think you just enjoy pissing people off by taking thier money and no doubts about it someone somewhere paid for that server paid for that game and for their entertainment and the entertainment of people with the same ideals as them and views on that game hence they put up a CTF server that plays HEX or a CTI server that plays cti.  So you think that this is in no way wrong.  To take what a man paid for with his own money or a groups money as RN does,  So just because the sign says dont piss like sis pick up the seat and piss like dad your just gonna piss all over the seat.   Great thats really original thinking yeah anarchist is what it comes down to you dont like rules so you break em with out worrying or thinking that hell there may be some consiquence.  and yeah there probably wont be a physical consquence I admit that and you seem proud to point that out all I can say is your lucky there aint cause if you took mine and did with it as you pleased and not as I intended Id club you like a baby seal and no Im not a digital tough guy Im the real deal I dont put up fake profiles and pretend Im someone else but I do train to kill and have and Im not proud of taking lives but its what had to be done at the moment and I gaurntee you if this were real and not digital you wouldnt be so quick to take my time and money from me.  And you can lie to yourself all you want that your not hurting anyone or taking anything from anyone but you are and you get your jollies off on it hey thats not my problem Im not a server admin Like Mal is but dont be so quick to think what you do is not illegal sure there may not be a law here and now for it that spells it out in black and white but as your leader put it in la there are alot of blood thirsty laywers that could prove that you had in fact abused someones personal propertiy with malicous intent and the only reason you could come up with is it was fun I dont think a jury would take long on that judgementm because 2+2 will never be green.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 12:04:03 am
Why would the fun need to be extended?   I can answer that cause you are going to be banned.  Why am I going to be banned?  Well because you are doing what somone doesnt want you to do on something they own.  Ah Ha Ill change My id cause then I can get back in and do it again cause its fun cause I didnt pay for it and I dont care about anyone but myself haha egocentric and just plain out rude and this is what your really after its the end product someone pissed off at you.   Makes me wonder if there was some trauma in your tender years as a child that makes you want to upset people.  Ok real life would you team kill a soilder?  Or lets go milder ummm Some one is gardening (hey its an idea)  and you come up to them while they are doing so and push them over they fall down the ground it soft no major damage to them or what they were enjoying.  Do you really think thats a good time?


Ok this is about cheating more so than distrubing people right er but cheating disturbs them so the end effect is still the same ok
Its not about cheating its about extending the game play well that form of extension distrubs them
SHIT theres  a pattern forming here
Its not about extending game play its about me and what I want to do with my game oh crap thats distrubing them too
Its not about me its about the cheating community and ok Ill give you that great do that your own server should suffice but then it would take the fun out of it cause then you wouldnt piss anyone off.   Dammn and its no fun to cheat against a cheater and sometimes its like Im a athlete that needs an extra edge so I use steriods shame cheating wont shrivle the nads wouldnt that be a funny side effect LMAO Your going bald and have man boobies was it steriods no I was a cheater LOL Ok so thats not a good comparison either and besides steriods are illegial black and white funny how your boss uses a clearly defined illegal substance to prove hes right in his thinking hell I got an Idea lets compare what your doing to crack cocaine it helps you get that edge on the compettion your quick your jerkey your fingers are moving so fast sometimes you just need that extra edge. LOL
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 07, 2005, 12:27:19 am
wow im impressed by your passion to write so detailed about this boring old topic, maybe you use the search function of the forum to find your answer, we had this topic over 10+ times alone in the ofp section i guess.
i allways only read the first 3 lines of your text and stoped reading because u sounded like some christian missionary  :P okok i read a bit m0re (i did not read everything i just overflow it) and i found this text line: "I still cant imagine why would you choose cheating as a hobby and like in most situations like this you usually find a few smart guys..." i asked me this questin a couple of times too and i came to the answer: i like to program stuff, like figuring out solutions for certains problems and realizing new ideas and since i have no idea what else to program i do just this  :o

and this "You dont cheat in school cause if your caught you flunked. "...i dont need to cheat in school was never necessary.

u said ur right now in the irque, whats your rank and r u sure that a [INSERT_YOUR_RANK_HERE] has the time and the passion to write about a cheaters from a computer game where u can get killed at the same time next monring?
Title: Question
Post by: M. O. on October 07, 2005, 12:41:42 am
Quote from: SOG
Why would the fun need to be extended?   I can answer that cause you are going to be banned.  Why am I going to be banned?  Well because you are doing what somone doesnt want you to do on something they own.  Ah Ha Ill change My id cause then I can get back in and do it again cause its fun cause I didnt pay for it and I dont care about anyone but myself haha egocentric and just plain out rude and this is what your really after its the end product someone pissed off at you.   Makes me wonder if there was some trauma in your tender years as a child that makes you want to upset people.  Ok real life would you team kill a soilder?  Or lets go milder ummm Some one is gardening (hey its an idea)  and you come up to them while they are doing so and push them over they fall down the ground it soft no major damage to them or what they were enjoying.  Do you really think thats a good time?


Ok this is about cheating more so than distrubing people right er but cheating disturbs them so the end effect is still the same ok
Its not about cheating its about extending the game play well that form of extension distrubs them
SHIT theres  a pattern forming here
Its not about extending game play its about me and what I want to do with my game oh crap thats distrubing them too
Its not about me its about the cheating community and ok Ill give you that great do that your own server should suffice but then it would take the fun out of it cause then you wouldnt piss anyone off.   Dammn and its no fun to cheat against a cheater and sometimes its like Im a athlete that needs an extra edge so I use steriods shame cheating wont shrivle the nads wouldnt that be a funny side effect LMAO Your going bald and have man boobies was it steriods no I was a cheater LOL Ok so thats not a good comparison either and besides steriods are illegial black and white funny how your boss uses a clearly defined illegal substance to prove hes right in his thinking hell I got an Idea lets compare what your doing to crack cocaine it helps you get that edge on the compettion your quick your jerkey your fingers are moving so fast sometimes you just need that extra edge. LOL


Lol, well as I said I cheat for fun, not for making people upset. If I do, I don't care, because it's silly to get upset over a computer game. There are people who are upset over real serious things, people who even can't afford buying a computer game... Cheaters help pple discover the real life. If someone doesn't think a game is fun and can't do anything about it, nothing says he should keep playing it. I don't think it's egocentric to cheat, then it would be egocentric to be better than other people too? Esp if better equals "better through cheats", if it's the same effect.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 12:47:26 am
Its Iraq and yes I have time being that Im getting very short and there is a lull in action prior to the elections and not alot of guys are dying here recent in my neck of the woods if you care in which Im sure you dont.  And my time can be spent as I so choose you just enjoy the blanket I provide including your freedom of speech.   Im not judging you but rather would have you judge yourself.  Think you could tell your family or your wife or your grandparents hey I just pissed off a bunch of people wheee for me?  Yeah ok and I can get killed here in my room lol see this is the real thing and yes I know the diffrence and thats one of the reasons I was a decent ofp player is because I played using alot of the skills you learn in the military.  And because your taking a friend of mines money and time and yes that pisses me off.   So yes I came here and excercised my freedom of speech in which I also provide.  Oh and Its CPL if you care to check with AKO my name is clearly posted above in my email address.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 12:54:40 am
Mulla I dont think you understand the word egocentric cheating is beacuse its about you its not for anyone but you what are you giving to the people who are not cheating or TKing? Ummmm yeah nothing so yes its about you hence its egocentric.    Hell even the Boss of the site here says TKC is about egocentric gameplay its about the cheater not anyone else lol you may want to re read your own FAQ lol nice try though.
Title: Question
Post by: M. O. on October 07, 2005, 02:43:23 am
Alright, but then we also got to say that all playing is egocentric because it's all "about you". I can admit that it's egocentric to not care about other people's fun in a game. Maybe that's bad, I don't know. But I still think they know best themselves what they think is fun. If they don't think it's fun to play with someone they could always switch to another server or do something else.
Title: Question
Post by: Louden on October 07, 2005, 02:51:34 am
Of course its about "you" (the player) Just like when you play the game you play for YOU, your own enjoyment. no one in the world plays a game for someone else's enjoyment.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or ask.. You dont need to come here and ask for our motivation or what gratification there is in cheating, it should be obvious to everyone. I read through all these posts with cheaters trying to justify their actions, and anti-cheaters trying to get answers  and ridicule the cheaters, its just a really stupid cycle of generic responses to each other.

The way I see it you have two options. 1. Deal with it. 2. Stop playing. Anything else is not even worth your time or anyone else's. People are going to do what they want to do at the end of the day. You came here for answers but your questions have such obvious answers I wonder why you bothered.

Its a video game dude, its also a seriously cheap one at that. For the love of god just move on.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 08:51:51 am
Ok so heres this redundant logic again if you dont like cheaters quit.....  Ummm yeah sure I enjoy the game even if it is a crappy game I played online with people I have never known but we still know eachother and whats going on with eachother so its not really all that random and we also played an online game to play with others much as the same reason you cheat online because cheating whith yourself by yourself wouldnt be much fun cause there is no shock value 2+2=green again.  No I wont quit playing no Im not bored with the game as it stands and this should be my falut somehow in your reasoning that I should quit because its a game and I dont approve of cheating.   Ummm yeah.  And you tell me to move on perhaps I wont perhaps Ill be a TAP the annyoning poster Ill make a clan and we will make annoying posts how clever hehe.  And no thats not my only options to deal or quit.  lol Quite funny that you see my options in black and white and your actions are not black and white.  There are always more than 2 options for anygiven situation.
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 07, 2005, 09:15:04 am
I agree but at the same time i dont understand what you want from us? Do you want us to stop releasing ofp cheats and to delete them from this site or do u want us to revert and tell all not to cheat because its so bad its as bad as wearing no helmet while driving a motorcycle?

ok let me guess really, your appealing to our human understanding not to release or use cheats because they fuck up your game which u just want to play. your talking about moral, maybe this comes from the military maybe its just u
We dont want to piss u off as normal player who just wants to play the game. its just a negative effect that may be caused due to use of cheats. there will be allways ppl who want to have it easier who dont want to follow rules. thats just how humans are, not all of them have been in the military and learned and lost their something at the same time.
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 09:23:22 am
Well Im not a kid and I dont think your going to stop cheating and the motorcycle idea would work but see then again most likely you would only crack your own skull open and not bother anyone else.   Yeah well sometimes a moral and just man states his cause in the hopes that others will review their own life accounting.  I dont know personal pride goes with the job and yes Im the same geek offline as I am online.  I take pride in my friends and how we played together and the comaradire inbetween us I know where they live if they are married or not if they have kids what their jobs are ect so were not just random people massing online for the first time ever with no idea of what the others values are. I could continue but the didnt completly pause the war and Im off to do some recon work.   ttyl
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 07, 2005, 09:43:17 am
your "appealing" to our "human understanding" not to release or use cheats because they fuck up your game which u just want to play. your talking about moral, maybe this comes from the military maybe its just u, its benefit  for human society but this here is unfortunately not the same kind of society as the society where u can just crack your skull by not wearing a helmet, the internet is in this case in fact a place where this wont happen u can insult each other, cheat in games, etc noone will hit for that u can also piss other ppl off if u like to and this is maybe the disadvantage of this worldwide network.

there will be allways ppl who want to have it easier who dont want to follow rules. thats just how humans are, not all of them have been in the military and learned and lost their something at the same time.

only 2 answers i can give to the main problem is:
- play only with ppl which u can trust and which can be trusted by those who u trust
- wait for armed assault/next ofp ...
Title: Question
Post by: joeb1 on October 07, 2005, 11:52:09 am
bla bla bla... :roll:

okay so some idiot who is in iraq killing people, think us cheating in a game is bad?

you are indeed a moron, yes we enjoy cheating and ruining games, and if you dont like it go f yourself :D
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 07, 2005, 12:09:18 pm
lol u saved our philosophy  :D
...actually doing and creating destructive stuff is fun, proof here: No Offsite Hosting (http://tkc-community.net/forum/index.php?topic=5187.0)/d.aspx?id=3I5YVWZUR20N33BTO33VM0HZYW
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 02:37:15 pm
Wait a min I go around killing Iraqi people huh just all random you know this seems like fun Ill shoot someone and end their life take all the have and all they would ever be becuse Im in the army?  Ok well your narrow point of view there is shockingly ignorant.  Yes we kill people but unless its an accident as in whops I hit the trigger on my M2 and greased someone then it is intentional and theres something called LOAC and ROE Laws of Armed Combad and Rules of Engagemnet so before you go spouting off about how I kill people in the real world keep in mind why I do it how I do it and when I do it.  My *if you care* personal phillosphy for handling the afer affects of taking someones life something you probably know nothing abbout and will never know anything about since you wont ever leave the gate and the walls we stand on, is I am here to fight for others who cannnot fight for themself I will not take a mans life unless he esclates force to be deemed as nessiscary for mortal combat.  IE I dont shoot into crowds I end up dying to save people
I dont shoot unarmed people
I dont randomly shoot at anything
I place the metal on target that I intend to hit
And you know what in the last 10 months Ive seen people blown apart shot killed and maimed because they had chose to vote or chose to try and Kill us missed and hit the kids gathered near us begging us for water and food so before you judge from your high and mighty seat come down and play in the mud with me.


And no you dont fuck up the game as I want it to be played you fuck it up as the owners of servers want it played the players who are legit and paying for thier ISP the companys who are getting paid for lines and servers that clans rent.  You can try all you want to turn this on me and make me look like the bad guy somehow that Im ruining the game beacuse I dont approve of cheating that I ruin the game beacuse I would ban cheaters and their ranges but if it says "NO CHEATING YOU WILL BE BANNED" then I see you claim these people are ruining the game wow surprise they said there was a choice to be made here cheat or not cheat I cheated now theres a cost and not just at your own cost but perhaps the cost of others I cannot and refuse to judge your game play as a crime as long as you do it on your server on your time and your diime hey its a free country right your not treading on me by doing this with your server If I dont like cheating I wont go there good enough but you cant say that your right and Im wrong here and yes I think this is a moral issue to a point but fine your morals differ than mine I see it here every day women treated like cattle daughters bought and sold like sheep.  Not much I can do about it but sit back and woder why would someone do that I dont know.  But that doesnt mean That I should let them buy and sell things that are mine.   And yes Im enjoying this verbal discourse here minus the ignorant people who come in with vulagarity in in its lowwest from just rattling like a can of change rolling down a hill making noise but not saying anything.  


"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating."
 -    Sophocles

"It is a trick among the dishonest to offer sacrifices that are not needed, or not possible, to avoid making those that are required."
 -     Ivan Goncharov
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 07, 2005, 02:57:24 pm
Destructive devices are fun and Im a Combat Engineer so dealing with explosives is part of my daily life but I dont use charges to destroy things other than what needs to be destroyed and half the time its not destruction per say you can use C4 cutting charges to cut steel to remove road debris to remove a tree stump or clear a woodline and these charges are used in the promotion of perserving life more than taking life the US ARMY does not use DD (destrcutive devices) as a weapon even against the enemy you cant even use hollow point bullets much less a grapeshot charge we dont even use anti personel mines anymore other than the claymore which has a trigger on it held by a living breathing human being because they cause needless destruction against people who may not be a threat so no you cant justify that destruction is a good thing.  Besides again in your FAQ your boss says its not about destruction but here again you belive it is perhaps you need to rewrite your phillisophy Keep it simple Here to create havoc and piss people off.  

Why are they angry we didnt hurt them?  You might ask but ok Ill come over to your house and take your car wont hurt you would it? No not at all, Think if I did that you might want to be pissed at me perhaps even put your hands on me and try to throttle me to death for taking yours.  Hell even if it was a gift and not something you bought I bet you would still be angry and want to come after me.  Thats what your doing is your taking something someone paid for and spent their time upkeeping and working at and you expect them to be like ok with this.............?   Even if it is a milisecond its still not yours you didnt pay for the server you didnt spend the time to do all the little things that go into a game and I dont mean the progaraming, I mean the waiting in line the planning of action against a foe none of that.   I could tell you what to do, but you wouldnt do it.  Get your own server use your money your time and do what you want and if someone came on there and wasnt happy about it you could say jump off a cliff with a handgrenade cause its mine and I choose what to do on it.  And hey thats fine sure more power to you about time if this is really your passion.  But from what I gather here you enjoy the shock of other players making them mad and ruining the game for them makes your day sounds almost like The Marquis de Sade,  who said

"In an age that is utterly corrupt, the best policy is to do as others do."

You know what that guy was famous for?  look it up and see lol.

Well its been fun and Ill probably be back becausee Im enjoying this alot and alot of the rest of the OFP coummuinity is as well the come in and check once in a while to see what you guys are upto and Yeah I didnt know about TKC till a few weeks ago and Ive read up some on your posts and even though there are some of you who seem smart there are more hanger ons in here than I can count people just in awe of you and really are not they just want your cheats but I guess this goes with the whole meglomaniac complex I see so abundant in here.
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 07, 2005, 02:58:22 pm
Quote from: SOG
Wait a min I go around killing Iraqi people huh just all random you know this seems like fun Ill shoot someone and end their life take all the have and all they would ever be becuse Im in the army?  Ok well your narrow point of view there is shockingly ignorant.  Yes we kill people but unless its an accident as in whops I hit the trigger on my M2 and greased someone then it is intentional and theres something called LOAC and ROE Laws of Armed Combad and Rules of Engagemnet so before you go spouting off about how I kill people in the real world keep in mind why I do it how I do it and when I do it.  My *if you care* personal phillosphy for handling the afer affects of taking someones life something you probably know nothing abbout and will never know anything about since you wont ever leave the gate and the walls we stand on, is I am here to fight for others who cannnot fight for themself I will not take a mans life unless he esclates force to be deemed as nessiscary for mortal combat.  IE I dont shoot into crowds I end up dying to save people
I dont shoot unarmed people
I dont randomly shoot at anything
I place the metal on target that I intend to hit
And you know what in the last 10 months Ive seen people blown apart shot killed and maimed because they had chose to vote or chose to try and Kill us missed and hit the kids gathered near us begging us for water and food so before you judge from your high and mighty seat come down and play in the mud with me.


And no you dont fuck up the game as I want it to be played you fuck it up as the owners of servers want it played the players who are legit and paying for thier ISP the companys who are getting paid for lines and servers that clans rent.  You can try all you want to turn this on me and make me look like the bad guy somehow that Im ruining the game beacuse I dont approve of cheating that I ruin the game beacuse I would ban cheaters and their ranges but if it says "NO CHEATING YOU WILL BE BANNED" then I see you claim these people are ruining the game wow surprise they said there was a choice to be made here cheat or not cheat I cheated now theres a cost and not just at your own cost but perhaps the cost of others I cannot and refuse to judge your game play as a crime as long as you do it on your server on your time and your diime hey its a free country right your not treading on me by doing this with your server If I dont like cheating I wont go there good enough but you cant say that your right and Im wrong here and yes I think this is a moral issue to a point but fine your morals differ than mine I see it here every day women treated like cattle daughters bought and sold like sheep.  Not much I can do about it but sit back and woder why would someone do that I dont know.  But that doesnt mean That I should let them buy and sell things that are mine.   And yes Im enjoying this verbal discourse here minus the ignorant people who come in with vulagarity in in its lowwest from just rattling like a can of change rolling down a hill making noise but not saying anything.  


"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating."
 -    Sophocles

"It is a trick among the dishonest to offer sacrifices that are not needed, or not possible, to avoid making those that are required."
 -     Ivan Goncharov

Dude wtf stop comparing this fucking little cheating kids with your irque war, this has nothing to do with this here and anyways please use the forum search from now on before you post again over and over the same questions, fucking spammer.
remember: "it all starts with attidude" isnt what u american nazis learn in school u even got t-shirts saying all that bs. your born for your country your born to die for it - give ur best - be the best or die like the rest, anyways im just saying this now to annoy u a bit lol cuz im bored see this what i have said has probably nothing to do with my real attitude this can be faked and have no meaning so please stop comparing the moral or attitude of cheaters and ppl whose job is to kill other ppl.
call me asshole now if u like, so what? nobody cares its only the boring convo between the "players" of an allready dead game with the name ofp.
and again: yes cheating is not right such bad geeks
normal players are the good ones
thats good and bad as simpel as that.
black and white
green and red
...soldiers..rofl
and again to support your moral: alll bad ofp cheaters: dont play ofp if u cheat its just not right their r ppl which want to play a normal game without someone destroying it !! (btw the new remote bomb-area cheat in ofp is just great - comes with cheatpack 1.26a :)
Title: sss
Post by: [TKC]ArAfAt on October 08, 2005, 08:24:53 pm
soon i will post a nice video here, it will answer all of these little questions you might have left to ask so come back soon
Title: Question
Post by: Tape on October 10, 2005, 10:24:15 pm
hmmm in iraq ??? and u can use pc + internet ??? does the usa allow this ??? why u dont get shot for this ....


man ... why r u shaking ur little penis ??? WHY ??? cuz u like it, cuz it makes fun, cuz it make u happy ....... and why do we cheat ... cuz we r able to do it .... man just play SP and ur save from us ...

ps. it make fun when ppl screm around wtf happend... where is mhq ????? ITS JUST FUN ................
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 11, 2005, 02:25:27 am
LoL and ignorance rears its ugly head.  

Alot of the ppl who post in here crack me up,  alot of hangons here.  Bet the guys who actually are smart enough to come up with this stuff have to get sick of the 'gimme gimme they stopped me from being able to ammo cheat I need I need"    

See the funniest part for me besides the pure enterainment value of this is I guess in a way Im heckling you lol but of course this is the proper enviornment for such activities being that someone who paid for this laid out the rules and Im following them.   But I think its funny that some of you get so upset by this huh your own medicne doesnt taste as well going down as it feels to give out LMAO.   But of course Im doing this for more than me alot of people like to come here and scan these fourms eps looking for a conversation like this looking at how many reads it has gotten is such a little timeframe.  Have fun and keep up with the wild and zany replies lol that last one was  a doozy.
Title: Question
Post by: Tape on October 12, 2005, 12:06:26 am
lol hmmm ... ok when i read ur posts i can see a guy who really can discuss something ... i think ur not a little junky teennager head ....

but ... some guys r robbing banks, killing poeple, stealing stuff .... we only r having some fun ....

so why u all r asking why we cheat ... ?? its simple ...
Title: Question
Post by: Mahlkav on October 12, 2005, 09:38:41 am
Some guys robbing banks, killing people and stealing stuff are also only having fun.
Not comparing you to them, except maybe mildly, both you and them are social misfits, as am I, considering the amount of time I sit by my computer. Sure there's loads of other types of social misfits, like the once having admin password to some certain servers, and there's a reason for heckling as good as any. But there's also other gatherings suffering from the development done here, so in my opinion you could burn in hell :) for not giving me any insight.
Title: Question
Post by: joeb1 on October 12, 2005, 12:27:47 pm
Quote from: Mahlkav
Some guys robbing banks, killing people and stealing stuff are also only having fun.
Not comparing you to them, except maybe mildly, both you and them are social misfits, as am I, considering the amount of time I sit by my computer. Sure there's loads of other types of social misfits, like the once having admin password to some certain servers, and there's a reason for heckling as good as any. But there's also other gatherings suffering from the development done here, so in my opinion you could burn in hell :) for not giving me any insight.



what kind of "insight" are you talking about?  If you want to know why we cheat, everyone has a different reason, fun, revenge, chaos etc
Title: Question
Post by: Mahlkav on October 13, 2005, 12:14:43 am
Ok, I'll try one last time to respond to you joeb1:

No, I'm not talking about the insight of why you cheat.
Title: Question
Post by: hatepunks on October 17, 2005, 09:25:29 pm
The problem is SOG that with people like this you will never get your point across because they dont want to hear. If they did agree to stop using cheats on public servers it would mean defeat, or if they opened their own server for cheating it would mean defeat. I found your posts worded very well. They do what they do because to them it is fun, even if it does disrupt the fun of others on servers that they pay for. If you think it would be fun to use objects on their webpage that eat bandwidth or change the layouts etc (hacked)  they would sick their lawyers on you, as they state ( which actually if they did sick their LA lawyer on you, you would have the right to face your accuser, BONUS). No matter what you say and no matter how logical it is they will always twist your words or find some sort of way to take it out of context to suit their own needs, anything to justify what they do. Pretty much a losing battle. The suggestion that they open their own server I think by far is the best suggestion. In reading most of the posts from these guys I would think they mostly have anti social tendancies and tend to lean towards being slightly sociopathic, definatly a inferiority complex of some type hence the hiding behind a monitor (If that is not true and you are not cowards and totally agree that what you do is right, post your real names and addresses or at least send it to those that you have pissed off, I think Mael and RN would be glad to see you are truly men and not the cowards you appear to be). Although my IP/account will probably be banned because i'm an anti cheater (no so much anti cheater as anti prick) it has been fun to read the ignorant egocentric crap that has been spewed here.

BTW SOG, good luck and come home safe.
Title: Question
Post by: ZOldDude on October 17, 2005, 10:11:49 pm
I see you get wood over gru sniper so much you copy his mail address.
 :roll:
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Wesker on October 17, 2005, 10:32:34 pm
Quote from: hatepunks
hiding behind a monitor (If that is not true and you are not cowards and totally agree that what you do is right, post your real names and addresses or at least send it to those that you have pissed off, I think Mael and RN would be glad to see you are truly men and not the cowards you appear to be).

wow sounds like it could get physical
people getting angry over loosing in a computer game
very manly indeed
Title: Question
Post by: hatepunks on October 18, 2005, 12:28:00 am
Quote from: ZOldDude
I see you get wood over gru sniper so much you copy his mail address.


  Is that the best you have "get wood" puleez :roll: I must commend you though, I am honored you looked up my email ;)


Quote from: Wesker
wow sounds like it could get physical
people getting angry over loosing in a computer game
very manly indeed


Loosing = losing?   I have lost nothing.


Wow, this is fun.  If you don't mind, since this is a public forum, may I continue and add replies to more posts? After all that it your mantra isn't it, as long as its fun for me it doesn't matter whom I piss off and if they don't like it they should post elsewhere or stop visiting TKC.  I like your rules..
Title: Question
Post by: ZOldDude on October 18, 2005, 12:36:55 am
Quote from: hatepunks
Quote from: ZOldDude
I see you get wood over gru sniper so much you copy his mail address.


  Is that the best you have "get wood" puleez :roll: I must commend you though, I am honored you looked up my email ;)


I saw it and thought it was in fact rather funny and my post was not ment to be an insult but more of an observation. :lol:

Please carry on.

Z
Title: Question
Post by: hatepunks on October 18, 2005, 02:02:54 am
My mistake, usually when someone says "get wood", I assume meaning hardon, and over someone like GRU_sniper I would take that as an insult. I mean have you seen the guy, even if I did swing that way (just to assure you I am completely hetero) it sure as hell wouldn't be with a red-headed, buck toothed penis with ears that photos himself with toy weapons. Not to be insulting (sorry sniper) just making a statement. But if you didn't mean it as an insult I misunderstood and am sorry for taking it that way.  But if you meant it that by using his name for my email that I had a hard-on for him (as in out to get him) yeah that could be. After all he is quite rude and not the way some of you are. His whole "i'm gonna get revenge" thing is a bit over the edge wouldn't you say. He talks like hes a real soldier or something, like hes seen way to many action movies or something. "I may have to go into hiding again" come on who says that kind of stuff.
Title: Question
Post by: ZOldDude on October 18, 2005, 02:16:53 am
So do you play anything other than this out dated game?
I myself only tryed it in SP mode 2-3 times then uninstalled.

Do you have a full copy of F.E.A.R. yet?
I just finnished the SP side after 3 days (6 hr days....I play slowly) and the cd-verify servers go up for public play on the 18th of this month.

Z
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Wesker on October 18, 2005, 06:13:07 am
Quote from: hatepunks
Loosing = losing?   I have lost nothing.

Quote from: hatepunks
have anti social tendancies and tend to lean towards being slightly sociopathic, definatly a inferiority complex

tendancies = tendencies?
definatly = definitely?
Title: Question
Post by: hatepunks on October 18, 2005, 07:06:53 pm
I tried to play a few other games but all are boring to me. I do play OFP mostly on different servers to keep up with newer missions etc. It's just that nothing else out there has, to me, the same type of gameplay as ofp. I like the open play in the game, I decide where to go and how to assault, you are not herded through a set course. It may be a dead game to most but to a lot of us it is still one of the best games ever made. I do find it sad that you guys find it so boring. To me the new addons and mods really help keep it going.

Nice catch Wesker, touche' ;)
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on October 18, 2005, 08:10:52 pm
Quote from: hatepunks
I tried to play a few other games but all are boring to me. I do play OFP mostly on different servers to keep up with newer missions etc. It's just that nothing else out there has, to me, the same type of gameplay as ofp. I like the open play in the game, I decide where to go and how to assault, you are not herded through a set course. It may be a dead game to most but to a lot of us it is still one of the best games ever made. I do find it sad that you guys find it so boring. To me the new addons and mods really help keep it going.

Nice catch Wesker, touche' ;)

I agree with this post. my comments to your other posts: i dont give a fuck - its the fucking internet and has nothing to do with reallife.
Title: Question
Post by: ZOldDude on October 18, 2005, 11:34:49 pm
Quote from: hatepunks
I tried to play a few other games but all are boring to me. I do play OFP mostly on different servers to keep up with newer missions etc. It's just that nothing else out there has, to me, the same type of gameplay as ofp. I like the open play in the game, I decide where to go and how to assault, you are not herded through a set course. It may be a dead game to most but to a lot of us it is still one of the best games ever made. I do find it sad that you guys find it so boring. To me the new addons and mods really help keep it going.

Nice catch Wesker, touche' ;)


I had a hell of a time trying to learn the controls,probibly why I gave up so soon. I did manage to get my kids to reinstall as they wanted to try the CheatPac after I showed them a few of the movies....now they play 2 hours a week and without the cheats (they find it interesting) altho at first they UNINSTALLED it after about 20 mins as they thought the gfx sucked.

I can't stand the Battlefield and CC/CC:S group of games and tend to enjoy things more along the lines of S.W.I.N.E./Act of War ect (RTS's),yet I liked playing this one FPS that is a CPU eating p.o.s. called Veitcong -mostly in coop mode- (anoter reallllly dead game as far as amount of players) for about the same reasons as you enjoy OFP.

The whole family at my house played F.E.A.R. online last night useing a cd-key hack and found that was fun.

Do you drive to school or live on campus? You can put up a VPN useing http://www.hamachi.cc/ and play whatever game you like on LAN via the internet (and transfer "files" over a secure/pvt system).
Title: Question
Post by: hatepunks on October 18, 2005, 11:56:56 pm
Quote from: anothercheater
I agree with this post. my comments to your other posts: i dont give a fuck - its the fucking internet and has nothing to do with reallife.


I'm glad you agree with that post, but i dont remember asking your opinion. And the internet has nothing to do with real life. blah blah blah


It took me awhile to learn the controls also, hell im still not sure about most of it but know enough to make gameplay functional. Maybe you should give it a try again  (without cheats ;) ). I have seen some cheats used on servers and most look fun, some were very entertaining but still they seem dishonest to me.  

BTW the whole school thing. I'm impressed ;)
Title: Question
Post by: ZOldDude on October 19, 2005, 02:30:07 am
Quote from: hatepunks
It took me awhile to learn the controls also, hell im still not sure about most of it but know enough to make gameplay functional. Maybe you should give it a try again  (without cheats ;) ). I have seen some cheats used on servers and most look fun, some were very entertaining but still they seem dishonest to me.  

BTW the whole school thing. I'm impressed ;)


Well I don't really "cheat" per say....but I enjoy testing them.

Like I said I mostly like playing RTS games and some co-op FPS now and then. Cheating would be like cheating against myself!

The school thing....the one near Hwy 43, Marylhurst?

The last school I went to was N.C.T in West Los Angeles,California for grx and web design (thought I would start some "adult" websites  :wink: ).

Z
Title: Question
Post by: SOG on October 23, 2005, 06:54:18 pm
I play ofp due to realisim, open ended tatics, and weapon capablities.  It is as close as Ive found to being able to do a skirmish online and kill people digitaly. For instance the BII is on a M113 but then again they are 113a3's and have no external fuel tanks so theres a loss there but all in all its as close as I have found.  Also the maps being rather expansive and having mulit terrian features brings alot of realism to the game at least as much as Ive ever seen in a game of this sort.  The ballistics are decent they are as near real as I belive a game should go unless you want snipers for games to be keeping log books for barrel temp, crosswind, grains, bara. pressure.   And leaving the end users the option to create their own addons and missions is a big help to the general gaming community.  I wonder does my server or IP er what ever show up as Ft. Meade?  I think its a turkish company that we buy this service from but we manage it with our own IT people.  Oh well.
Title: Question
Post by: GRU_sniper on November 01, 2005, 01:32:32 am
Quote from: hatepunks
My mistake, usually when someone says "get wood", I assume meaning hardon, and over someone like GRU_sniper I would take that as an insult. I mean have you seen the guy, even if I did swing that way (just to assure you I am completely hetero) it sure as hell wouldn't be with a red-headed, buck toothed penis with ears that photos himself with toy weapons. Not to be insulting (sorry sniper) just making a statement. But if you didn't mean it as an insult I misunderstood and am sorry for taking it that way.  But if you meant it that by using his name for my email that I had a hard-on for him (as in out to get him) yeah that could be. After all he is quite rude and not the way some of you are. His whole "i'm gonna get revenge" thing is a bit over the edge wouldn't you say. He talks like hes a real soldier or something, like hes seen way to many action movies or something. "I may have to go into hiding again" come on who says that kind of stuff.


shit with You
Title: Question
Post by: Yen on November 01, 2005, 05:49:43 pm
Why is [YENG]Hubertus deleting my posts here in forum?

I have used exactly the same dirty language as GRUSniper is using in every post. So what's the problem?

So again. Don't care about the cheaters. Just play on any server which is full every evening without a fear. Such servers are very often protected against cheatpacks even against the newest versions... :P

Yen
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Anothercheater on November 01, 2005, 06:41:04 pm
rofl theirs no server or map which is protected against the sueprcheatpack 1.26b  :P

bring it if im wrong  8)
Title: Question
Post by: [TKC]Wesker on November 01, 2005, 07:51:30 pm
Quote from: Yen
Such servers are very often protected against cheatpacks even against the newest versions... :P

LOL
sounds like anti-cheat fairy tail talk
you gotta stop listening to them

RN server  :D
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Title: Question
Post by: M. O. on November 01, 2005, 10:09:19 pm
Lol p4 4ghz